What if someone grabs your firearm while you are Open Carrying?

[Itstjs]

Im looking for a good OC holster for my XDM 3.8 9mm. So far a Serpa or the XDM gear. But according to Blackhawks website, the serpa only fits the XD. Any input would be appreciated.

Look into the Safariland ALS holsters. Serpas are crap in my opinion, I use a Safariland ALS holster, its a thumb drive button [no hood option avaliable] and its more concealed and prevents easy take aways vs the open index finger system blackhawks use. Its a little more costly, but worth it in the long run. you can find it using google or go to the manufacture website. safariland.com

 

[golddigger14s]

Not that anybody has tried to in my case, but depending on the age/intent of the person could end very badly. Grab the hand, do a body drop (go limp to the floor), then put the person in a arm bar.

 

[thru]

why would you grab at his gun, anyway? Instead, it's far easier to just kick him in the nads, or the knee, then kick him in kidney, tailbone, head, whatever is closest, then take the gun at your leisure.

 

[Bikenut]

why would you grab at his gun, anyway? Instead, it's far easier to just kick him in the nads, or the knee, then kick him in kidney, tailbone, head, whatever is closest, then take the gun at your leisure.

Surely you are the greatest thing since Rambo! I am in awe of your magnificence! No one could ever prevail over your level of training or expertise!!!

In fact... I feel blessed to be sharing the same planet and the same air supply... with such an accomplished fighter such as yourself! I bow to your magnificent excellence!

Ok... sarcastic bull crap aside...

Dude...

I have lived long enough to learn there are those who are the "real deal" with no need to try to impress others with how much of a bad ass they are as they just go about their lives dealing with life only bringing out the "bad ass" when it is unavoidable... and then there are those who try to impress others with how much of a bad ass they want others to think they are.

Ummmmmmmmm.... the guys that I have met in my life who were the real deals didn't bother talking about their prowess... they just did what they needed to do when it needed doing without bragging about it. And by the time anyone realized something had happened it had already been done and the whole thing was all over.

I have seen real warriors in action (and I am NOT one of them!) and it is my personal opinion that those who indulge in manly puffed up chest pounding internet "I'm a bad ass" bragging couldn't even come close to measuring up to a real warrior's pickled eggs/beer fart.

 

[thru]

Rambo was quite literally nothing much. didn't hit anyone with a bullet in the entire first movie. If he'd have shot straight while in the cop shop, he could have left town at his leizure, with his clothes and his stuff, instead of being buck naked and depending upon LUCK to get his gear!.

The fact that I BOTHERED to get a lot of hand to hand training makes you feel bad? I saw over 300 GI's have the same chance to train that I did. Do you know how many of them even tried, a few sessions? about 15. Know how many got real ability? 5 not counting me. It cost $10 per month to get small class (3-4 of us) instruction, 6 hours a week, from a 5th Dan, when we were clearing $250 per month. That's how many people care enough to put in the work to become skilled, even under IDEAL conditions for training (ie, plenty of money and nothing else to do and a rare opportunity to train under a proven REAL badass and great instructor

 

[UATKP]

If someone tried to get my firearm, what he would get first would be a left uppercut to the crotch. I'd have to play it by ear from there. )

Actually I only open carry on my own property, because the State of Texas infringes on my inalienable right to bear arms.

 

[wolf_fire]

Im looking for a good OC holster for my XDM 3.8 9mm. So far a Serpa or the XDM gear. But according to Blackhawks website, the serpa only fits the XD. Any input would be appreciated.

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I have a Serpa for my full size Glock. Serpa makes them for many models. I highly recommend the Serpa and highly encourage you to melt the XDM holster that comes free with the gun, and make some molds of some toy characters that you can take to the range and shoot. That's about what that holster is worth.

The Serpa is nice because if you know how to properly hold a loaded weapon with your trigger finger off the trigger until ready to fire, then this is exactly how you pull it out of the Serpa. Your trigger finger is extended and slides along the release as you draw your weapon. I've been recorded as drawing and firing from the Serpa at 1.2 seconds. So, you get a rapidly deployed firearm with this holster and you get a level I retention. Win-win in my book.


As far as your original post about what to do if someone touched it... The_Outlaw covered it well.

Situational awareness is your best friend. Condition yourself to look at your scenario with a different mindset. Ask yourself, who's carrying, how do you know? Who's near me? Ask yourself, what would you do if X, Y, or Z happens. You will start getting a mindset of controlling your situations better.

When in uniform (Sheriff's Reserve), I did have a young boy grab my holster. I learned to move and walk with my arm touching my firearm at all times even though I carry a Level II retention holster on duty. My hand went up and grabbed for the weapon as I turned to get the weapon 180 degrees from where I felt it being touched. I had already had it unsnapped and pushed forward ready to draw, but still in the holster. His look of fear and shock brought my heightened state way down quickly. I squatted down so we were face to face, smiled, and gave him one of our gold, "Junior Deputy" stickers. Mom was much apologetic but also thankful when I took the time to address him appropriately. The boy asked a few questions about my gun and I read the mom's face to see if she was OK with it, she was. I answered them and of course let him know that he shouldn't touch a gun that he sees, but should get an adult first and ask. He was maybe 4 or 5 years old.... cute kid.

 

[wolf_fire]

I don't carry in the open, so that's not an issue for me. But my son-in-law carried sometimes in the military. His solution was to keep an fixed-blade kerambit style knife on the other side, blade forward. If someone tried to grab his firearm, all he had to do was lock down on their wrist with his shooting hand, pull out that little blade with his other hand, and slice their forearm to the bone. No grip = no theft of gun. I actually liked that idea and it is now firmly stored in my 'tactical thoughts library'.

I keep a knife always at the ready in my left pocket for this very reason.

 

[DarrylHadfield]

Im looking for a good OC holster for my XDM 3.8 9mm. So far a Serpa or the XDM gear. But according to Blackhawks website, the serpa only fits the XD. Any input would be appreciated.

I did a bunch of research, as I travel armed, when not flying, and last month, I drove my bike down to South Carolina for my son's wedding.. Open Carried most of the way, in an Uncle Mike's Reflex holster, on my belt (as opposed to using the paddle adapter that comes with it). It's got a nice little set-up whereby someone will get an unpleasant surprise - the firearm (coincidentally, an XDm 3.8 subcompact in 9mm!) will not come out. It requires a twist 'inward' of the grip, to release. Unless someone knew what they were looking at, my guess is it's highly unlikely it'll come out unless you specifically intend for it to.

I keep a knife always at the ready in my left pocket for this very reason.

Funny, me too.. Kershaw Leek, clipped so as to make it a quick draw out and flick it open. An instructor of mine (CCW, Tactical Pistol, Tactical Rifle, Advanced Squad mechanics, etc etc ad nauseum - he's a former USAR Ranger so go figure) actually carries a sheathed blade, the little polymer-handled karambit that was so popular a while back. He's pretty quick on the draw with that thing, too.

 

[FTG-05]

I keep a knife always at the ready in my left pocket for this very reason.

My 329PD is habitually right on my right elbow, especially in public. The first sign of a gun grab, the right hand goes to secure the gun, the left hand pulls the Becker Necker out ready to slice and dice as necessary. My going in position is exactly the same as armed and uniformed LEO's: a gun grab = attempted murder. My plan is to react accordingly.

 

[Firefighterchen]

While the possibly exists, it just doesn't happen. There have been a few questionable gun grabs, but far more cases of deterrence.

What would I do? It has all ready been said, lock down the firearm in the holster, protect my head, get my tdi knife (on my reaction side) asap and slash or stab until they break their grip.

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[localgirl]

Anyone I dont know reaches out to touch my anything and I jump back pretty dang fast.

 

[NotTwoShure]

Funny, I have played this in my mind for years. On open carry with 1911 vs cc and cc would not be an issue. Glocks are always cc. But all has been said but I have thunk this over and over, guess time and place and always aware. I would not all my space to be invaded to this point. Only dumb questions is one not asked.

 

[Oldgrunt]

Anyone I dont know reaches out to touch my anything and I jump back pretty dang fast.

Hey, hey, hey. What are we trying to touch? Behave now!

 

[keller644]

Outlaw has pretty much covered everything about open carrying. But the main things to remember about open carrying is: To be aware of your surroundings and others at all times. Second you should never open carry with out a plan of physically recovering your weapon in the event somone grabs at your firearm,if you can't physically protect it don't flaunt it. And last but not least always have a good reason for carrying your firearm in the open, law enforcement frowns on people who open carry just because they want to.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I think what ever you would do when you conceal carry you should do when you open carry, or visa versa.

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[Artista_co]

First, when open carrying, I firmly believe you have a responsibility to yourself and those around you to have extra 'situational awareness'. If someone 'grabs' at your gun, you are at fault for allowing them to get too close. I think you should have at least a level 2 (Serpa-esque) holster. That being said, learn some defensive moves to keep the weapon under your control. Sweeps, etc. There are moves out there designed to do just that. I took an afternoon class running different scenarios. it really opened my eyes. Get physically fit - at least enough to wrestle it away. YOUR firearm may not be completely out of your control, and you NEED to be able to get it back. If you cannot take a class, at least ask a LE/DOC friend if they can teach you what they have been taught - better than nothing. If someone 'grabs' at your firearm you can safely assume they have ill intent.

A) If you keep control of the firearm, assume the worst: draw, open distance if possible, point, "STOP, GET DOWN" (he may be unarmed now, it would not do to shoot an unarmed man). If they advance, you can assume ill intent, shoot. Have someone call the cops, and you call your local firearm lawyer IMMEDIATELY(he should be on speed dial on your phone already)

B) If you are losing control of the firearm, DO NOT LOSE ALL CONTROL. Do WHATEVER it takes to get it back! When do get it back: back up if possible. Assume it has come out of battery. Slap, rack and point at the offending party "STOP, GET DOWN" (now, he may be unarmed remember). If any furtive move is made...bang. You can assume that he is trying again to access your weapon to use deadly force. Have someone call the cops, and you call your local firearm lawyer IMMEDIATELY(he should be on speed dial on your phone already)

Open carry is no joke, and it should not be taken lightly. Train for all scenarios. KNOW YOUR FIREARMS LAWYER!

 

[Firefighterchen]

I don't understand why it should be considered okay to have less situational awareness when concealed carrying then with carrying openly. Seems very irresponsible if you carry concealed with situational awareness not being at it's best.

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[whodat2710]

If someone 'grabs' at your firearm you can safely assume they have ill intent.

I have to disagree. Simply by pointing out Outlaw's "curious kid" scenario, this is not true. Remember that we react as we train, and someone touching or grabbing your gun has every likelihood of dumping a little adrenaline into your system, the same as shots being fired. Having a plan to punch, stab knee, kick etc. without evaluating the situation could be a problem.
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Yes it is good to train at these things, but not as an automatic impulse response.
1. Make every effort to keep it in your holster.
2. Evaluate the situation.
3. Respond accordingly.

 

[CapGun]

I don't understand why it should be considered okay to have less situational awareness when concealed carrying then with carrying openly. Seems very irresponsible if you carry concealed with situational awareness not being at it's best.

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You are correct but take it the other way around. No one suggested less situational awareness while CCing. I just think it behooves one to have greater situational awareness OCing because of unique situations that are presented while carrying in that manor.