Fallout from another shooting.
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BluesStringer
Les Brers
Just think, everything from weapons to battleships to security personnel are provided by contractors who were the lowest bidders for the jobs.
Even people who vet applications for security clearances are contracted. After seven years as an estimator, many of my jobs on government buildings, I'm here to testify that the government always goes with the lowest bidder. The only caveat they will consider is if a challenge to the winning bidder's ability to perform the tasks for which they were awarded a contract is successful and upheld in arbitration. Who might bring such a challenge? The second lowest bidder who has the legitimate ability to complete the job.
I try to use more high-brow language than rank name-calling in my posts, and I mean no politically-incorrect offense to anyone who is mentally challenged by any medical malady, but only a freakin' retard would suggest that the *totality* of what happened yesterday at McChord had nothing to do with it being a gun free zone. The Buddhist (I just heard before starting this post) murderer entered a gun free zone the instant he crossed from VA into DC, so regardless of whether or not a few lowest bidder contractors were allowed to be armed at the base, the Buddhist murderer was still violating a victim-rich, gun free zone policy.
The claim that the murderer's past scrapes with the law concerning firearms should have disqualified him from buying any more firearms may have some validity, depending on the resolution of those cases and on how he acquired whatever weapons he took to McChord yesterday. It is WAY too early to make such determinations at this time. Only anti-gunners would even try.
Blues
Even people who vet applications for security clearances are contracted. After seven years as an estimator, many of my jobs on government buildings, I'm here to testify that the government always goes with the lowest bidder. The only caveat they will consider is if a challenge to the winning bidder's ability to perform the tasks for which they were awarded a contract is successful and upheld in arbitration. Who might bring such a challenge? The second lowest bidder who has the legitimate ability to complete the job.
I try to use more high-brow language than rank name-calling in my posts, and I mean no politically-incorrect offense to anyone who is mentally challenged by any medical malady, but only a freakin' retard would suggest that the *totality* of what happened yesterday at McChord had nothing to do with it being a gun free zone. The Buddhist (I just heard before starting this post) murderer entered a gun free zone the instant he crossed from VA into DC, so regardless of whether or not a few lowest bidder contractors were allowed to be armed at the base, the Buddhist murderer was still violating a victim-rich, gun free zone policy.
The claim that the murderer's past scrapes with the law concerning firearms should have disqualified him from buying any more firearms may have some validity, depending on the resolution of those cases and on how he acquired whatever weapons he took to McChord yesterday. It is WAY too early to make such determinations at this time. Only anti-gunners would even try.
Blues
AndeyHall
Active member
I didn't get to watch Pierce Morgan last night on the Communist News Network (CNN) to hear if he was going to try and spin it into a gun issue. I'm sure he will.
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ezkl2230
Guest
BREAKING: FBI - AR-15 NOT used in Navy Yard Shooting!
The FBI has issued a public statement:
FBI Confirms: As Far as We Know, No AR-15 Used in Navy Yard Shooting | Mediaite
The FBI has issued a public statement:
FBI Confirms: As Far as We Know, No AR-15 Used in Navy Yard Shooting | Mediaite
Bigcarlover
New member
You forgot to mention that nobody with managed to take him down with a pair of scissors.
Warbirds
New member
How is a military base not a gun free zone? Can you carry one on base? Can anyone but the few security on duty carry a firearm? Can you even have an unloaded firearm in your car? Can the active duty personnel on base carry a firearm? How many of the victims were able to defend themselves? Have you seen the active shooter training?
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whodat2710
New member
Clinton not only took away our ability to carry on base unless it is in the performance of duties (i.e. MP's), but in his down-sizing and base closing he relegated security on most bases to private security firms. Even the really secure bases are augmented by rent-a-cops. Vehicle checks are random. Anyone with an ID can get on base.
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Number 4 on the things they won't talk about is the fact that he followed Biden's advice and got a shotgun.
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Number 4 on the things they won't talk about is the fact that he followed Biden's advice and got a shotgun.
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ezkl2230
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DOD Directive 5210.56, enacted in 1992 by Donald J. Atwood, deputy secretary of defense under President George H.W. Bush:
In essence, the only military personnel permitted to regularly carry firearms on bases are the MPs and those military personnel tasked with guarding strategic stores or installations. The majority of military personnel are unarmed.
Ringo
A WATCHMAN
The occupant of the Oval Office called it a cowardly act. California Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein wasted no time in politicizing the dead and wounded, saying, “Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country". Feinstein and others who will follow with similar demands, including the president, fail to mention that Washington, DC has the strictest gun control laws in the nation. There's more to the problem. When “We the People” allow our leaders to do and say unethical, immoral and wrong minded things with impunity, we eventually reap what we sow. We have a national leadership comprised of immoral and unethical wicked people. And we keep electing them over and over again. The ones that come in to replace the old ones are worse than their predecessors. In my lifetime, they have taken prayer out of school, legalized the mass murder and infanticide of over 50 million babies in the womb--an entire generation; legalized teaching the evolution theory as fact; encouraged promiscuity, have essentially abolished marriage, and taught homosexuality as normal in our public schools. But wait, there's more.
These same people have become puppets of foreign governments, and moreover are changing laws to fund with weapons the very people who have been killing and maiming our men and women in the military. They've run us aground economically, incurring debt so large that it's impossible to pay it back. They've failed to protect our borders, allowing illegals to colonize our country. Furthermore, terrorists are entering and establishing cells at will. The president’s relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood is tantamount to allowing our children to walk bare-legged through a pit of vipers. We're a nation on moral pause. Immorality and wickedness has reached critical mass in our society. Religious freedom has become religious discrimination. Freedom of speech has become governed by political correctness. As a nation we have sown complacency and tolerance and murder for a generation. We're beginning to reap these seeds in a terrible and large bounty. We as a people need to repent. We need to hold ourselves and our families accountable to God’s standards. We need to take seriously Galatians 6:7, “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” Silence is consent.
These same people have become puppets of foreign governments, and moreover are changing laws to fund with weapons the very people who have been killing and maiming our men and women in the military. They've run us aground economically, incurring debt so large that it's impossible to pay it back. They've failed to protect our borders, allowing illegals to colonize our country. Furthermore, terrorists are entering and establishing cells at will. The president’s relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood is tantamount to allowing our children to walk bare-legged through a pit of vipers. We're a nation on moral pause. Immorality and wickedness has reached critical mass in our society. Religious freedom has become religious discrimination. Freedom of speech has become governed by political correctness. As a nation we have sown complacency and tolerance and murder for a generation. We're beginning to reap these seeds in a terrible and large bounty. We as a people need to repent. We need to hold ourselves and our families accountable to God’s standards. We need to take seriously Galatians 6:7, “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” Silence is consent.
You Reap What You Sow, More Than What You Sow, Later Than You Sow
~ See You When The Smoke Clears ~
Oh, so now it is a gun free zone unless everyone is armed? With such silly arguments you might as well hand over your 2A rights to bloomberg because you have no hope of convincing anyone with half a brain.
It was not a gun free zone. the shooter didn't calculate the percentage of armed people. The shooter was familiar enough with the facility to know that there were armed guards on the premises, and he didn't give a damn.
Please, for the sake of advancing 2A rights stop with the silly gun free zone assertions. It just makes us look ignorant and adolescent. Like calling everything you disagree with a "Nazi".
Warbirds
New member
Ignorance is bliss, not being smart enough to realize your ignorance is..... you. Anyone that has spent any time on a military base knows the security situation. I bet that there wasn't one armed person in that building. Now if you want to not give our 2A rights away try to be less of a liberal and try to be a person.
AndeyHall
Active member
It is considered a gun free zone if you do not have the option of being armed. You think it's not a gun free zone just because there were armed security...then what would constitute a gun free zone? Schools have always been considered gun free zones (at least in most states, the ones that don't allow concealed carry on campus), yet by your logic, because most campuses have armed police, then they aren't gun free zones. Can I legally walk onto that naval base carrying a gun? If the answer is no, then it is a gun free zone.
So a gun free zone is any place where any individual is not allowed to carry a gun?
Then schools will always be gun free zones until the children are allowed to carry, as will all malls, all theaters, and every place else. Is that your agenda? Allow all children and adults to carry firearms everywhere so that there will be no gun free zones and thus eliminate all gun crime on the theory that criminals only commit gin crimes in gun free zones?
And people wonder how Bloomberg has been able to amass a following. He doesn't have to argue about gun issues, he just has to point the idiocy of arguments being posited.
It's time for the 2A community to speak smarter, not louder.
Then schools will always be gun free zones until the children are allowed to carry, as will all malls, all theaters, and every place else. Is that your agenda? Allow all children and adults to carry firearms everywhere so that there will be no gun free zones and thus eliminate all gun crime on the theory that criminals only commit gin crimes in gun free zones?
And people wonder how Bloomberg has been able to amass a following. He doesn't have to argue about gun issues, he just has to point the idiocy of arguments being posited.
It's time for the 2A community to speak smarter, not louder.
Burtboomer
New member
Ok so the agenda media tried and tried to push the dreaded AR15 as the weapon that this joke of a human being was using and to there unfortunate surprise it ended up being a shotgun. So how does our great and powerful media handle this unfortunate let down. The news station this morning described the weapon as a military police style assault shotgun (WOW REALLY)And just by coincidence here comes gun control right after that story.lets not attack how a mentally impaired man is hired by the navy after having to discharge him much less have a security clearance no no lets go for gun control.
Derby
New member
That is like saying highways are vehicle free because children cannot drive.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
A gun free zone is any place where a person who would normally be allowed to legally carry is barred from carry by the gov't. Children aren't covered by that as they cannot carry under the age of 18 anyways. And yes, a military base is a weapons free zone because only those few people who are designated to carry can. Even on bases where hunting is allowed, all areas other than that are no carry zones and you'd better not have the gun on you if stopped.
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ezkl2230
Guest
A zone in which only those who are specifically authorized to carry to the exclusion of all others is, by definition, a gun free zone.
A shopping mall posts itself as gun free. The only person authorized to carry in said zone is an active duty police officer operating under color of law; all others are explicitly prohibited from doing so.
Yes, it is a gun free zone, and so is a military base upon which only MPs or Marines guarding strategic stores are the only personnel authorized to carry firearms - duty-related or personal. The DOD policy to which I referred in an earlier post designates military bases as gun free zones, and even the base commander doesn't have the authority to allow all personnel under his command to carry; the directive is very specific regarding when and where military personnel may be authorized to carry their firearms.
Gun free zones. SO effective! If they work so well, Mr. President, then I challenge you to remove the armed personnel from the White House and designate it as a gun free zone! Lead by example!
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ezkl2230
Guest
Nuts, the shooter used my home defense firearm of choice - the Remington 870 Express Tactical Blackhawk!
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AndeyHall
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You must be a lawyer or a politician because you have an incredible talent for twisting words. To answer your question:
No, a gun free zone is any place that doesn't allow law abiding citizens who can legally carry a firearm to carry a firearm on their property. If you're under 21 then you cannot carry a firearm. So me being over 21 and having my CWP in South Carolina, but my school still not allowing me to carry on its campus makes it a gun free zone. Elementary through high schools would eliminate their gun free status if they allowed anyone who can legally carry a firearm to carry on their property. THAT is how a gun free zone works.
