Fallout from another shooting.

[gmwest]

After the most recent shooting at the Washington Navy Yard, I thought we would hear the normal cry for gun control. However, I was pleasantly surprised to hear a community activist actually state that the citizens need to be able to protect themselves more than ever. Gun control would not have kept this tragedy (or any other from happening). I'm glad to hear that some are realizing that we need to be able to protect ourselves and those we love.

 

[S&W645]

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. People who are anti-gun are starting to realize that.

 

[nogods]

It appears he was considered a "good guy with a gun" on at least two prior occasions.


Alexis was previously arrested on May 6, 2004, in Seattle for shooting out the tires of another man's vehicle in what he later described as "an anger-fueled 'blackout,'" according to the Seattle Police Department.
He told police he could not remember firing his gun at the man's car until an hour after the incident.


Apparently on at least two prior occasions, he was considered a "good guy with a gun" (assuming the reported incidents set forth below are accurate):


Alexis was also arrested on Sept. 4, 2010, by Fort Worth police after he was accused of recklessly discharging a firearm inside the limits of a municipality, according to the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office.
"It was determined that Alexis was cleaning a gun in his apartment when it accidentally went off," the DA's office said in a statement. "A bullet entered an apartment upstairs. No one was injured."
After reviewing the case, the DA's office did not file a case.

 

[S&W645]

It appears he was considered a "good guy with a gun" on at least two prior occasions.


Alexis was previously arrested on May 6, 2004, in Seattle for shooting out the tires of another man's vehicle in what he later described as "an anger-fueled 'blackout,'" according to the Seattle Police Department.
He told police he could not remember firing his gun at the man's car until an hour after the incident.


Apparently on at least two prior occasions, he was considered a "good guy with a gun" (assuming the reported incidents set forth below are accurate):


Alexis was also arrested on Sept. 4, 2010, by Fort Worth police after he was accused of recklessly discharging a firearm inside the limits of a municipality, according to the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office.
"It was determined that Alexis was cleaning a gun in his apartment when it accidentally went off," the DA's office said in a statement. "A bullet entered an apartment upstairs. No one was injured."
After reviewing the case, the DA's office did not file a case.

I wouldn't call either one of those cases a "good guy with a gun" case.

 

[3gunshooter]

After the most recent shooting at the Washington Navy Yard, I thought we would hear the normal cry for gun control. However, I was pleasantly surprised to hear a community activist actually state that the citizens need to be able to protect themselves more than ever. Gun control would not have kept this tragedy (or any other from happening). I'm glad to hear that some are realizing that we need to be able to protect ourselves and those we love.

Just wait it's going to start.

 

[NorCalPat]

Didn't he read the sign, it was a "Gun Free Zone"

coincidence that all these mass shooting only happen in gun free zones... I think not.

It's too bad that the politicians only recognize an officer in uniform as the only qualified "Good Guy" with a gun.

 

[vernsimpson]

I am sick of the wall to wall coverage of these shooting already. I was struck by the fact that DHS came out immediately that it was not a terrorist attack. They did not know anything but made a statement like that!

It will be a matter of time before they blame it on the TEA Party, NRA, Conservatives and all pro-gun groups! The "antis" suffered a big set back in Colorado. Now they will use this to recharge their cause. They have no shame. They will use the deaths of anyone to get what they want.

Remember the Wellstone memorial. The libs did everything but stand on his coffin to spew their bilge!

 

[ezkl2230]

CNN is reporting that police are investigating the possibility that the shooter got his m4 from one of the officers he shot. It may have been a select fire.

EDITED: NO M4 USED IN THE SHOOTING!!! FBI Washington field assistant director Valerie Parlave:

“At this time, we believe that Mr. Alexis entered Building 197 at the Navy Yard with a shotgun. We do not have any information, at this time, that he had an AR-15 in his possession. We also believe that Mr. Alexis may have gained access to a handgun once inside the facility and after he began shooting. Mr. Alexis had legitimate access to the Navy Yard as a result of his work as a contractor; and he utilized a valid pass to gain entry to the building.”

 

[nogods]

I wouldn't call either one of those cases a "good guy with a gun" case.

Apparently, if those events actually occurred (I remain skeptical because of how fast they were dug up by the media) law enforcement didn't think he was a bad guy with a gun in those instances.

 

[Burtboomer]

Lord help those families who lost someone today.while driving today I listened to several different stations and every interview started with were you scared(REALLY GUYS)!!!!Followed by what did he look like and what kind of guns long guns hand guns, how many, did he look like he could shoot(haven't quite figured that one out yet?) was he aiming or just shooting and so on.what I'm getting at is its coming I think they just don't know how to spin it yet.REALLY HOPE I'M WRONG

 

[Kasper]

Back to the two important questions I asked earlier. Was he the shooter in the military(Navy)? How did he gain access to get in the yard? I would be shot dead if I tried to shoot my way into JBLM (Joint Base Lewis Mcchord) so how was this guy able to shoot his way into the yard? Last I heard there where 3 shooters one white the other black and the third was unknown. So I will wait till tomorrow to see if the news gets all of the facts before reporting on this again.

 

[Woody57]

First, my heart and prayers go out to the families of those who lost loved ones and friends in the shooting in Washington today. That being said, there are a lot of questions left to be answered. I'm confident that the gun control advocates will spin this for their own agenda. Here's the bottom line for me. The DC police chief said officers were on scene and seeking out the gunman in 7 minutes. Seven minutes and still 12 died. Hard to convince me that I don't need the means to protect me and mine.

 

[S&W645]

Back to the two important questions I asked earlier. Was he the shooter in the military(Navy)? How did he gain access to get in the yard? I would be shot dead if I tried to shoot my way into JBLM (Joint Base Lewis Mcchord) so how was this guy able to shoot his way into the yard? Last I heard there where 3 shooters one white the other black and the third was unknown. So I will wait till tomorrow to see if the news gets all of the facts before reporting on this again.

Civilian with base job. Didn't have to shoot his way on base. Only started when he was inside the building he worked in. Only one shooter and he is dead. Sorry no white person involved here. Move along.

 

[Warbirds]

Civilian with base job. Didn't have to shoot his way on base. Only started when he was inside the building he worked in. Only one shooter and he is dead. Sorry no white person involved here. Move along.

Not a civilian, contractor that worked for HP. Vet that left the navy 2 years ago. At least one gun was taken from a guard, right now they say it was the pistol.

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[jeff martin]

You're right Nor Cal. I think citizens with cc permits practice as much or more than leos!!

The Second Amendment protects All Rights!!

 

[NavyLCDR]

It has already started. The sick bastards started it hours (not days, but hours) after the shooting occurred:
Brady Campaign Mourns Victims of Mass Shooting at Navy Yard | Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

Washington, DC – Dan Gross, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence released the following statement on mass shooting at the Navy Yard today:
“Today our thoughts and prayers are with the entire Washington, DC community, especially the family members and victims, as the facts continue to unfold in the Navy Yard shooting.


In recent years we've experienced mass shootings in a supermarket parking lot, an army base, a movie theater, a temple, shopping malls, universities, high schools, elementary schools, and now a naval facility, and after every one the corporate gun lobby's friends in Congress obstructed the will of the American people and stood in the way of sensible solutions to gun violence. Americans deserve better than this.


While it is too early to know what policies might have prevented this latest tragedy, we do know that policies that present a real opportunity to save lives sit stalled in Congress, policies that could prevent many of the dozens of deaths that result every day from gun violence. As long as our leaders in Congress ignore the will of the people and do not listen to those voices, we will hold them accountable. We hope Congress will listen to the voice of the people and take up legislation that will create a safer America."

I find it fitting that his name is Dan Gross. His middle name should be "sick and twisted". You are correct, however, Mr. Dan "sick and twisted" Gross, America certainly does deserve better than this, better than the Brady "sick and twisted" Campaign, that is for sure!

 

[ezkl2230]

once again the news is reporting the obvious - that there were lapses in security because corners have been cut in order to save money. Here's an idea: it's the freaking military! Reverse Clinton's executive order that disarmed the military on our bases and let them defend themselves! Ft. Hood would not have been as bad if our soldiers had been allowed.ro defend themselves, and neither wiuld thus fiasco.

 

[nogods]

Didn't he read the sign, it was a "Gun Free Zone"

coincidence that all these mass shooting only happen in gun free zones... I think not.

It's too bad that the politicians only recognize an officer in uniform as the only qualified "Good Guy" with a gun.

Here we go again with the gun-free zone BS. It was not a gun free zone. That line of reasoning always has been a loser, laughed at by the anti-gunners because the stats show otherwise. Gun crimes are committed where the intended victims are located regardless of whether the place has heavily armed train security or armed wannabe Wyatt Earp's.

the arguments for allowing law abiding qualified citizens to own firearms for self-protection are not helped by positing such easily defeated arguments like the gun-free zone argument.

 

[ezkl2230]

OK - the three main points the anti's are going to harp on are:

1. Background checks didn't prevent the shooter from getting a firearm in Virginia, even though he had previous firearm-related run-ins with the law in other states (of course, the media haven't told us how he obtained his firearm and whether a background check was even required), and are inadequate.

2. He used a long gun (possibly a shotgun) to kick off his spree.
3. He was a military vet (declared by democrats to pose a significant risk).

This event covers the three areas the anti's like to harp on the most; it was tailor-made to highlight their agenda.

Of course, the most obvious issues won't be addressed at all:

1. It was already gun-free zone.

2. The firearms and ammo he had in his possession were already illegal in DC.

3. The members of one of the most feared militaries in the world are forbidden from acting in their own defense, having instead to rely on private security, "shelter in place" and use makeshift weapons to try to protect themselves.

This excerpt below appeared in the Wasington Times after the Ft. Hood shooting:

It is hard to believe that we don’t trust soldiers with guns on an Army base when we trust these very same men in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mr. Clinton’s deadly rules even disarmed officers, the most trusted members of the military charged with leading enlisted soldiers in combat. Six of the dead and wounded had commissions.

Most people understand that guns deter criminals. Research also shows that the presence of more guns limits the damage mass murderers can unleash. A major factor in determining how many people are harmed by these killers is the time that elapses between the launch of an attack and when someone - soldier, civilian or law enforcement - arrives on the scene with a gun to end the attack. All the public shootings in the United States in which more than three people have been killed have occurred in places where concealed handguns have been banned.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/#ixzz2f9KdVP00

 

[Pir8fan]

After the most recent shooting at the Washington Navy Yard, I thought we would hear the normal cry for gun control. However, I was pleasantly surprised to hear a community activist actually state that the citizens need to be able to protect themselves more than ever. Gun control would not have kept this tragedy (or any other from happening). I'm glad to hear that some are realizing that we need to be able to protect ourselves and those we love.

It didn't take Diane Frankenstein long to spout off and that wimp Jay Carney says Nerobama will issue more executive orders.