1. You don't force your ideas on anyone. They are free to leave. R-i-g-h-t....
2. And you're not judgemental... N-o-o-o, not at a-l-l-l-l.... R-i-g-h-t....
Do you open carry in church
- Thread starter Cypher
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2. And you're not judgemental... N-o-o-o, not at a-l-l-l-l.... R-i-g-h-t....
BluesStringer
Les Brers
You completely misquoted Firefighterchen just to make a "point." That is called dishonesty. Now I understand why you're intransigently on the side of the dishonest Treo/Cypher. And to think the two of you are cloaking your dishonesty in Christian consideration of others. It's appalling what both of you are doing between these two threads.
Blues
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Bikenut
Guest
So... while this controversy about open carry in church extends to multiple threads...
Cypher... are you and Treo one and the same poster here on USACarry? Those who value the truth would like to know.
Cypher... are you and Treo one and the same poster here on USACarry? Those who value the truth would like to know.
Nope, i simply read what is written. You, OTOH, chose one phrase out of his entire post...
Frankly, this whole militant OC "My way or the highway!" attitude disgusts me! If they really want to make a point, why not OC where the GOVERNMENT oppresses it, rather that trying to scare people who you consider to be "little old ladies?" Oh, wait a minute - the government has teeth, don't they??.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Nice rebuttal...filled with a whole bunch of nothing. Figures, when you start with nothing, kinda hard to get anywhere.
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I don't really know what to say... since I started with... your post...
The anti gunners march on while the pro gunner factions eat each other. For that reason I'm done with this - I have nothing to gain, and, believe me, neither do you...
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
You didn't have anything to say in your last response either. Somehow though, your lack of substance isn't your problem, nothing ever is though right?
I think the pro gunners eat each other because it's so hard to tell who is pro gun...I mean those that ban open carry are now pro gun?
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Bikenut
Guest
Yeah... the whole militant concealed carry "My way or the highway because open carry scares people" or "concealed carry makes the church more secure than open carry" or "concealed carry doesn't cause any disturbances" is disgusting.
Cypher
Child of the Night
I have already answered that “no” however BS continues to insist that I am so all I can really do is ignore him and try to make my point anyway
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Like I said in the other thread Bikenut, scrutinize his answer carefully. Did he answer your question? He's a freakin' cartoon of Alinsky!
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
This entire church prohibition of open carry reminds me of the gun control problem as a whole in this country.
Similarities:
1. The select few choose what the People get to do.
2. They won't actually ask the People what they want.
3. If they do ask, they ignore anything that goes against their agenda.
4. They base their decisions off of feelings, and not logic. Don't let a crisis go wasted.
5. They spin it off as a safety concern.
6. All problems stem from gun owners, and not the weak minded.
The decisions and attitude that the church elders place on their congregation, can't be good for the gun control problem outside of church. Especially when they use the same illogical method as the Brady campaign and our government.
Ah...but we aren't talking logic are we...we are talking feelings.
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Similarities:
1. The select few choose what the People get to do.
2. They won't actually ask the People what they want.
3. If they do ask, they ignore anything that goes against their agenda.
4. They base their decisions off of feelings, and not logic. Don't let a crisis go wasted.
5. They spin it off as a safety concern.
6. All problems stem from gun owners, and not the weak minded.
The decisions and attitude that the church elders place on their congregation, can't be good for the gun control problem outside of church. Especially when they use the same illogical method as the Brady campaign and our government.
Ah...but we aren't talking logic are we...we are talking feelings.
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Ringo
A WATCHMAN
Stupid question.
wolf_fire
New member
Really? You think it is just Blues who thinks you are Treo? Wow, you are delusional. Many of us agree with that assessment.
You write the same, you live in the same area, you either live near or go to the same church, you make the same inane arguments, and your style of argumentation is exactly the same. It doesn't take much to see you are Treo. The fact that you came on the scene one day before Treo's last post speaks volumes to you being one in the same person.
wolf_fire
New member
Stupid response to someone deployed on a naval ship to brush the dust off their boots and worship elsewhere since they don't allow carrying. So I ask again, is he supposed to jump off that ship and swim to the nearest land where he can open carry? You can ignore it or call it stupid all you want, but you put yourself in this particular corner.
Ringo
A WATCHMAN
How stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself. You've gone so far with this discussion that you've lost all common sense. Answer to your stupid question...Don't attend service aboard ship. Find a suitable church after debarking ship in port.
wolf_fire
New member
How stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself. You've gone so far with this discussion that you've lost all common sense. Answer to your stupid question...Don't attend service aboard ship. Find a suitable church after debarking ship in port.
So he shouldn't keep holy the Sabbath by attending church since he can't carry on board a naval ship? That's your response... don't go church at all? So open carrying takes so much precedence to you that if deployed, one should not worship with others at all. And now you call me stupid? I'm sorry, I find that absolutely incredulous that you, of all people on this forum (I base this on how well you understand Scripture and how much you have presented to all of us that you are a true Christian), would suggest not worshiping with others solely on the basis that he is deployed and cannot carry a firearm on board a naval ship.
Truly, I am flabbergasted that this is your stance... not going to church for 7 months to a year (this is how long a typical deployment lasts where sailors won't see American soil again) and denying oneself any type of worship with other Christian brethren.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I am currently stationed on board USS Nimitz. I can neither confirm nor deny if and/or where we are currently deployed
Anyone so "fanatically opposed" to a church that does not allow open carry should shake the dust off his boots and go find a church that does allow open carry. Military installation or not, IMO it's mox nix.leasantry:
For some unfathomable reason, you're being as ridiculous as Treo. "
Blues
How stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself. You've gone so far with this discussion that you've lost all common sense. Answer to your stupid question...Don't attend service aboard ship. Find a suitable church after debarking ship in port.
Unless I accidentally missed one or two references, the above is the entire thread of the "shake the dust off your boots" meme. The dishonest "Cypher" started it, and Navy went beyond any obligation he had by actually answering his smart-a$$ remark, which was based solely on a dishonest meme that "Cypher" (and maybe others) made up concerning what's been said by OC'ers and OC supporters about OC'ing in church.
In case you're unaware, an American aircraft carrier is a "military installation." Navy confirmed that he is stationed on the Nimitz. Wolf responded to your "mox nix" thing because, like I also responded, being on an aircraft carrier might well "mox a diff" for Navy being able to "shake the dust" blah blah blah.
And I say again, for some inexplicable reason, you're being as ridiculous as "Cypher" is by calling wolf's replies to your obvious misreading of the thread "stupid." Now you're saying that Navy should not worship at all in a Ship's Chapel, or that he shouldn't choose whichever church he wishes to visit for whatever reasons he wishes to visit it, all because of something that neither he or anyone else but the dishonest "Cypher" made up that they said. No one in any of these threads EVER said that OC was "THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, period. All anyone has done is question the security aspect that "Cypher" claims is the basis for his church's no-OC policy. No one has said that his church doesn't have every right in the world to institute such a policy, they/we have simply pointed out the blatant fallacy that it provides one iota of "security" at all if hundreds of people per service, some of whom will be newcomers at every such service, are carrying concealed. That is the only "stupidity" in these threads, to think that such a ridiculous "security" policy has any validity to it when it creates so many blatant and obvious security breaches.
I'll admit I don't know my Bible well enough to argue with either you or Treo about it, Ringo, but I know a damned lot about security, tactics, disaster plans, triage and escape and evacuation, and I'm telling you unequivocally that the only "security" that "Cypher's" church's policy provides is for the shooter(s) when some whack-job(s) on a suicide mission that his church invites in and welcomes as one of their own show up with no scrutiny whatsoever.
Good grief, this has gotten ridiculous. The only people who have been honest throughout these three threads are the ones who have accurately and honestly evaluated the policy I just commented on. Otherwise, the dishonest people who make up arguments of others out of whole clothe are supported by comments and "likes" from people I never would have predicted couldn't recognize dishonesty when it was right in front of them. Strange days people, strange days indeed.
Blues
Cypher
Child of the Night
Translation: Since I can’t refute Cypher’s argument I will attack and impugn his character any way I can (right out of rules for radicals)
Is this “knowledge based on experience and training or you tube videos? You needn’t bother answering it was a rhetorical question
How stupid that you can't figure it out for yourself. You've gone so far with this discussion that you've lost all common sense. Answer to your stupid question...Don't attend service aboard ship. Find a suitable church after debarking ship in port.
How stupid that you can't figure out the difference between a church that prohibits OC by choice (church policy) and a church where open carry is prohibited by law. Maybe I can break it down Barney style for you. Many people say that they will boycott businesses that prohibit firearms. So...concentrate really hard and try to follow this. In Washington, where I live, there is a Washington Administrative Code that requires day care centers to prohibit firearms on the premises in order to obtain the state license required to operate a day care center. So, if I am going to boycott businesses that prohibit firearms, does that mean that I boycott all day care centers that prohibit firearms because they are required to in order to obtain their license, even though many day care centers would gladly allow firearms if they were allowed to by the state?
Now, if I lived in a state that had no such requirement, and day care center X prohibited firearms by company policy, and day care center Y had no problems with parents carrying firearms when doing business there would that be a different situation if I chose Y over X because Y legally allowed me to keep my gun when picking up my children?
Or are you still going to claim, Ringo, that you can't figure out the difference between prohibiting firearms because the local law/regulation requires it and a private organization's own internal choice to prohibit a method of carry? Should I boycott a business or a church that is only complying with the laws where they are located? That would just be stupid to not be able to figure out the difference.
