Do you open carry in church

[Cypher]

Lot of controversy on this one so I’m curious and what seems to be quite a few folks who attend no church telling others how to run theirs

Assuming you regularly attend church do you open carry in church why or why not?

I tried to make this a poll but I couldn't

 

[rbstumbo]

Even though Iowa is an OC state, I regularly CC in church. I don't want people focused on me when they should be worshiping instead.

 

[cougar98332]

nope, concealed only. i dont want to distract from why we are there.

 

[Cypher]

To answer my own question.

I am a regular church attendee and I do not open carry in church because I believe it is a distraction.

 

[guitargain]

I don't live in a oc state, but even if it were I wouldn't because of the same reasons above.

 

[NavyLCDR]

The possession of firearms is prohibited on the property where I attend services. Sometimes they even do random vehicle searches to check for such things as firearms and other contraband items. But I seriously doubt that more than a couple of people that I worship with would have any issue with firearms in church if we were allowed to possess them on military installations.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I open carry in church. I know it's not a distraction, as no one cares about my firearm or the color of my socks, just like nearly everyone else out in the public doesn't care.

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[Ringo]

No.

Maranatha!​

~ See You When The Smoke Clears ~​

 

[wolf_fire]

I don't feel like recreating my response that I gave in the first thread, so I'm pasting it here:

I do attend church regularly and I do carry every Sunday. My pastor and I have had conversations about it and he is glad that I do. In fact, I and a handful of others are trying to incorporate some added security measures for our church, but this is a delicate issue.

For one, most of the church going folk don't see a need for added security measures. A true sheepdog does. Most of the congregation at my church would be aghast at anyone thinking of carrying a gun inside the house of the Lord, let alone openly carrying it. Out of respect for the congregation, and until they start realizing the evil deeds that do happen in the world and in some churches, I will respect the community that I worship with.

We have already put feelers out to a number of the congregation regarding security measures. Most are anti-gun. It is not my mission to change their minds on this. Therefore, our small team trying to gain some added security to the church is, as I mentioned, a delicate task. We do not wish to be divisive with our church members. One conversation I had with a church member had them asking nervously, "Is there really a need for added security?". My reply, "We've heard nothing directly, but bad things do happen everywhere. We're just trying to prevent something here." It was obvious from his facial expression that this concept was foreign to him. I had another congregant, who thinks that nothing bad would happen in a church, state, "Someone would have to really be stupid to try to do something during a Sunday morning service with all those people." He's completely oblivious to the fact that with this attitude most of them are just sheep for the slaughter.

The like-minded folk in this forum understand personal security, they understand the need to carry. Many other folk in the world do not, including many members at my church. A Sunday worship service is not, in my humble opinion, the proper place to force a 2nd Amendment conversation especially with those that disagree. I attend this church because of the Gospel that is preached not for Constitutional activism. These reasons I have provided are why I choose to carry concealed at church.

 

[Cypher]

The possession of firearms is prohibited on the property where I attend services. Sometimes they even do random vehicle searches to check for such things as firearms and other contraband items. But I seriously doubt that more than a couple of people that I worship with would have any issue with firearms in church if we were allowed to possess them on military installations.

Now wait just a minute. Shouldn't you as a matter of principle shake the dust off your boots and go find a church that allows open carry ?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Now wait just a minute. Shouldn't you as a matter of principle shake the dust off your boots and go find a church that allows open carry ?

You funny guy, you! No, I would rather worship with the Christians who are under the same government imposed regulations that I am who are equally as disappointed with their lack of ability to carry firearms where they worship as I am. It's called worshipping with people of like minds.

 

[BluesStringer]

To answer my own question.

I am a regular church attendee and I do not open carry in church because I believe it is a distraction.

Wow. Now you're cross-threading your dishonesty! In the other thread where you were completely dishonest, the OP's rationale for banning OC was the distraction meme, but yours was that your church has the right to implement whatever security measures it deems appropriate, which is certainly true, but which the policy as you described it welcoming CC'ers with no scrutiny whatsoever, represents a total lack of "security."

You also said that the reason you and the regular congregation doesn't OC in your church is because you landed there with the policy already in place, and you don't OC anyway, and don't want to, so it was no big thing to you. If you argued the distraction meme at all in a nearly 300-post thread, you presented it as a side-issue, or a parenthetical kind of thought. You repeatedly said it was a security measure.

Why was a new thread necessary if all you're going to do is change your story (again)?

Blues

 

[wolf_fire]

Now wait just a minute. Shouldn't you as a matter of principle shake the dust off your boots and go find a church that allows open carry ?

He made it quite clear this is on a military installation where our personnel are denied their rights since it is Federal property.

 

[Cypher]

Wow. Now you're cross-threading your dishonesty! In the other thread where you were completely dishonest, the OP's rationale for banning OC was the distraction meme, but yours was that your church has the right to implement whatever security measures it deems appropriate, which is certainly true, but which the policy as you described it welcoming CC'ers with no scrutiny whatsoever, represents a total lack of "security."

You also said that the reason you and the regular congregation doesn't OC in your church is because you landed there with the policy already in place, and you don't OC anyway, and don't want to, so it was no big thing to you. If you argued the distraction meme at all in a nearly 300-post thread, you presented it as a side-issue, or a parenthetical kind of thought. You repeatedly said it was a security measure.

Why was a new thread necessary if all you're going to do is change your story (again)?

Blues

You do know how to hate don't you?


I have been very careful not to set myself up as speaking for my church. I stated my church by policy bans open carry on our premises and that our protocol is to shadow the person during the service and explain the policy to them after but I never stated “The rationale behind the policy is….” Because I never asked, I don’t care. Their house, their rules.

I believe I have been very careful to state that I feel that OC is a distraction and I wouldn’t OC in church if they changed the policy tomorrow.

And with that I am done.

 

[Ringo]

He made it quite clear this is on a military installation where our personnel are denied their rights since it is Federal property.

mox nix.​

~ You Reap What You Sow, More Than What You Sow, Later Than You Sow ~​

 

[BluesStringer]

You do know how to hate don't you?

I know how to hate? It takes a lot more gall than sense for you to say that to me, Treo. I don't recall ever applauding a wish for your death. I don't recall ever making rude remarks about your wife. And if you don't like being referred to as dishonest, there's a real simple fix for that - quit being dishonest.

Otherwise, I'll answer that question as honestly as I know how: Yes, I do know how to hate, and if there were one thing I wish I knew how to change on my own about myself, it is that knowledge that I would delete. It's one of the main reasons I sought understanding of who Jesus Christ is. I ask for forgiveness both from Jesus and from the person whom I have allowed to trigger that sinful trait in me every time it surfaces. I say that only as a way to say that I don't hate you. I don't trust you, I don't particularly enjoy your posts, I don't think you're a very nice person, I think you have the capacity to be one of the most petty people on the board, but I have not allowed any of that to trigger hate for you in my heart.

Oh, but if only you could be as honest about yourself in front of God and everybody.

mox nix.

What does that mean in relation to what wolf_fire said? (I don't know what it means at all, so I guess just start there and I'll see if I can suss out for myself how it relates to what you were replying to.)

Blues

 

[Cypher]

You funny guy, you! No, I would rather worship with the Christians who are under the same government imposed regulations that I am who are equally as disappointed with their lack of ability to carry firearms where they worship as I am. It's called worshipping with people of like minds.

So, in the context of worship, where it’s entirely your option where to worship it’s acceptable for the government to disarm you completely but hypocritical for my church to ask you to conceal your weapon.

And this is apparently so acceptable to you that even when you have the option of finding like minded armed people to worship with you choose to worship with like minded disarmed people?

I’m sorry but not even Sheldon Cooper could follow that train of logic

And with you also I am done

 

[Ringo]

What does that mean in relation to what wolf_fire said? (I don't know what it means at all, so I guess just start there and I'll see if I can suss out for myself how it relates to what you were replying to.)
Blues

mox nix..originated with American soldiers stationed in Germany after World War II. An American spelling of the German expression "macht nichts" which means roughly, "it makes no difference."

Cypher said.."Shouldn't you as a matter of principle shake the dust off your boots and go find a church that allows open carry"?

wolf_fire said.."He made it quite clear this is on a military installation where our personnel are denied their rights since it is Federal property"

I said..."mox nix"

~ You Reap What You Sow, More Than What You Sow, Later Than You Sow ~​

 

[Chris Rakes]

The possession of firearms is prohibited on the property where I attend services. Sometimes they even do random vehicle searches to check for such things as firearms and other contraband items. But I seriously doubt that more than a couple of people that I worship with would have any issue with firearms in church if we were allowed to possess them on military installations.

WOW, where do you worship, communist China. they really search cars in the parking lot? what if you have some contribution , like a book. do they burn it right there are do they wait till they have more

for you guys that "don't want to be a distraction", are you that EGOTISTICAL, like people that sing the national anthem think everyone is looking at them

 

[BluesStringer]

mox nix..originated with American soldiers stationed in Germany after World War II. An American spelling of the German expression "macht nichts" which means roughly, "it makes no difference."

Cypher said.."Shouldn't you as a matter of principle shake the dust off your boots and go find a church that allows open carry"?

wolf_fire said.."He made it quite clear this is on a military installation where our personnel are denied their rights since it is Federal property"

I said..."mox nix"

Last I heard, NavyLCDR was deployed on a ship, aircraft carrier if I recall correctly. Not sure if he's back on land now, but if he isn't, it would umm....mox a diff.