Those that gouged, we will remember. Those that remained reasonable, thank you.

[kerb]

Your logic is subjective.... Try using the dictionary, look up flipping and price bubbles.

Is someone twisting arms and forcing people to buy? I'd love to buy another ak or ar. No way in hell I'm buying now. I'll wait.

That's another thing about supply and demand.. If people don't buy and cause a surplus, prices tend to drop.


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[apvbguy]

Not to mention $150 for a box of 500 .22LR rounds. That should be $20.

Hope that website goes under.

if it should be $20 why don't you sell 500 rounds of .22lr at that price?

 

[Warbirds]

Is someone twisting arms and forcing people to buy? I'd love to buy another ak or ar. No way in hell I'm buying now. I'll wait.

That's another thing about supply and demand.. If people don't buy and cause a surplus, prices tend to drop.


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We are talking ammo not rifles, if you haven't noticed if you don't have ammo you can't shoot.

So your answer is to sit around and give up shooting for months until the people that are buying up the supply to flip it for aprofit milk people for every dollar they can and eventually the supply builds back up?

The basic principles of supply and demand do not include market manipulation or flipping. And that is what we are currently facing.

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[Koolbota]

This will give you something to really whine about-




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Preckwinkle Seeks $25 Gun Tax

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Buying a gun in Cook County officially became more expensive this week.

A new $25 tax on every gun purchased in the county took effect Monday as part of County Board President Toni Preckwinkle's plan to pay for the violence she says crowds jails and drives up health care costs.

"Gun violence is a real problem for us," Preckwinkle said when she proposed the tax in October. "It's a problem for us in our criminal justice system and it's a problem for us in our health care system, and I make no apologies for the proposal."

The proposed gun tax is expected to bring in an estimated $600,000 in revenue.

The proposal followed a violent summer in Chicago where multiple people were killed and dozens injured each weekend in shootings. The city's murder rate was up 25 percent, and the Cook County Jail was near capacity with 9,000-plus inmates.

The tax applies only to guns bought outside Chicago within the county.

"There are responsible gun owners in Cook County who use firearms for either protection or recreation," Preckwinkle said at the time. "However, the social and economic cost of the criminal and irresponsible use is very high. As a result, Cook County residents are paying for the negative impact of a product that only a small portion our population uses."

(if that reasoning survives court scrutiny then any homeschooler in that area should be able to opt out of the portion of property tax going to the public schools.)

Preckwinkle dropped plans for a 5-cent bullet tax she said could have raised an additional $400,000. She plans to review the tax over the next year.

Not everyone agrees with the new tax, though, and some say it violates their right to bear arms. The Associated Press reports a group of area gun shops and owners sued last month.

 

[Deserteagle]

if it should be $20 why don't you sell 500 rounds of .22lr at that price?

Great idea, Ive never thought of that!

 

[iron2y]

Among the worst price gougers on the internet, we have Cheaperthandirt (ironic), Bulkammo.com, and LuckyGunner.com

None of those websites will get my business. Typical $1.00+ per round of .223. Not to mention CTD charging $80 for magazines... Screw them all. I hope they go out of business.

Yeah, Cheaper Than Dirt Gets my vote for "Gougers Hall Of Shame". I had AR 15 in my cart and wanted ammo for it and of course that had to go on a separate order so while I was ordering that I got disconnected, then the School Shooting got all over the news. When I signed back on to C.T.D. web site they had a big red banner saying "WE NO LONGER SELL FIRE ARMS" they had thrown my AR 15 out and emptied my cart. I sent a complaint via e-mail and never got a reply. In the next few days they went back to selling firearms and now I can order the same AR 15 at DOUBLE THE PRICE!!!! NO thanks Cheaper Than Dirt and I won't be bothering you again with any orders.

 

[apvbguy]

Great idea, Ive never thought of that!

so where's all the $20 ammo?? oh it isn't available at that price, that's your last free economics lesson

 

[Warbirds]

so where's all the $20 ammo?? oh it isn't available at that price, that's your last free economics lesson

It is available at that price, you just have to find it where you can, before the flippers find it. And if you are a teacher...omg you must be union.

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[Deserteagle]

so where's all the $20 ammo?? oh it isn't available at that price, that's your last free economics lesson

Let' see, when some businesses continue to sell ammo for the same price as always, while other business triple the price, it makes you think one seller might be price gouging. There's your free common sense lesson.

 

[Warbirds]

Let' see, when some businesses continue to sell ammo for the same price as always, while other business triple the price, it makes you think one seller might be price gouging. There's your free common sense lesson.

Now don't go throw logic into the mix! That's not fair!! :sarcastic:

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[BluesStringer]

So your answer is to sit around and give up shooting for months until the people that are buying up the supply to flip it for aprofit milk people for every dollar they can and eventually the supply builds back up?

The basic principles of supply and demand do not include market manipulation or flipping. And that is what we are currently facing.

I'm getting such a kick out of this. I know, I shouldn't be, but some of the irony here is twice as hilarious as it is ironic.

Only in America could posters on an internet site devoted to furthering constitutional rights sound so hostile to capitalist profiteering. Such is the schizophrenic state of mind in this country these days, I guess. Maybe Occupy Wall Street rubbed off on some of you anti-capitalist types posting in this thread? I'll bet all of the "gouger," "hoarder," and "flipper" types railed against the OWS crowd, but here's a dose of reality for y'all; you are sounding just like them now that your ox is the one being gored.

ALL money, goods and services within the market are "flipped." That's pretty much the definition of "playing" the market, or risking capital on any purchase made strictly on speculative investment motivations. It's not only legal, ethical and moral, it's precisely the way the American economy was originally designed to work.

Right now silver is down to just above $28 bucks an ounce. Recent highs have been up around $50, and sooner or later, it will go well above that. Guess what I'm doing? Yup, buying all the silver I can afford to put my hands on. Guess what I'm going to do with it? Yup, wait until it goes back up and FLIP it for every dollar I can, because conversely, it will always come back down too. Buy low, sell high. It's the American Way. Do I feel ashamed? Nope, I feel entrepreneurial. I'm unemployed, and if silver or other items I keep in reserve for rough times don't go back up in a month or three, I might have to dip into my ammo stash that I built up over the last 20 years and paid MUCH less for than it cost even before Sandy Hook. Think I'll try to get as much as I can for it if that's the route I have to take to make a little money? You're damned skippy! Will I sell enough to be short on ammo? Not on your life! Well, not on my life actually, but that's not the point. I also wouldn't shoot enough to run out unless I was in a fight for my life. Even at that, that fight would have to last for at least a month even if I did sell some before things went hot, and I seriously doubt I'll survive such a fight anyway. Still, there's no death tax on ammo or silver or any of the other tangibles I invest in (or "hoard" if you prefer to come off as an unthinking, ignorant fool), and my wife or other heirs will appreciate getting the full measure of my acquired "wealth" because I had enough sense to put it in tangibles that the government can't steal it from.

Anyway, thanks for the communist version of comedy. Y'all are a hoot!

Blues

 

[apvbguy]

Let' see, when some businesses continue to sell ammo for the same price as always, while other business triple the price, it makes you think one seller might be price gouging. There's your free common sense lesson.

please show me one example where a business is selling ammo at what some of you believe is "normal" prices

 

[Deserteagle]

please show me one example where a business is selling ammo at what some of you believe is "normal" prices

Midway mostly sells at the same prices as before all this gun control drama started.

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This ammo is still being sold at normal prices. Of course it sells out within minutes since it is fair priced, as compared to sites like Cheaperthandirt, Luckygunner, or Bulkammo that have plenty of ammo in stock, because it is at outrageous prices.

Recently bought some .40SW from Midway, I think it was about $90 for 250 rounds which was how it was this past summer as well. No huge price increase from that company.

Also bought some "high capacity magazines" for $30 from Cabelas which are priced at $80 on Cheaperthandirt.

 

[gejoslin]

please show me one example where a business is selling ammo at what some of you believe is "normal" prices

Our WalMart has been selling at normal prices. Has been gone within hours, but this last couple of deliveries, ammo has been starting to stay on the shelves. 9mm, 40 and 45 cal and even 223 and some of the older deer hunting calibers. And of course shotgun shells.

Of course, we're kinda out of the way, around here.

 

[One78Shovel]

I flipped the switch the other day when Glen Beck started touting CTD.

Never liked him much anyway

-178S

 

[apvbguy]

Midway mostly sells at the same prices as before all this gun control drama started.

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This ammo is still being sold at normal prices. Of course it sells out within minutes since it is fair priced, as compared to sites like Cheaperthandirt, Luckygunner, or Bulkammo that have plenty of ammo in stock, because it is at outrageous prices.

Recently bought some .40SW from Midway, I think it was about $90 for 250 rounds which was how it was this past summer as well. No huge price increase from that company.

Also bought some "high capacity magazines" for $30 from Cabelas which are priced at $80 on Cheaperthandirt.

I won't want to delve into insults but just because a site lists a product for sale at X price, the fact that they are OUR OF STOCK means that it is not available for sale. IN OTHER WORDS THEY AIN"T SELLING IT AT THAT PRICE
so don't insult my intelligence with a link that shows reasonably priced ammo that is not available for sale

 

[apvbguy]

Our WalMart has been selling at normal prices. Has been gone within hours, but this last couple of deliveries, ammo has been starting to stay on the shelves. 9mm, 40 and 45 cal and even 223 and some of the older deer hunting calibers. And of course shotgun shells.

Of course, we're kinda out of the way, around here.

you sir are a lucky one, I live in a small metro area and there is no ammo here at any price

 

[gejoslin]

you sir are a lucky one, I live in a small metro area and there is no ammo here at any price

I'm sorry and I do feel for my brothers of the gun who are having trouble getting the ammo that they need to keep their skills sharp. I hope this comes to an end or at least gets better. As we all know even when ammo becomes available, the price may never come down to where it was, cost of materials and living and all that.
Maybe Luke could post a sticky where we could post ammo availability, price and locations.
Good luck with your search.

 

[Koolbota]

Here's something for the girls to really cry about-

LMFAO

INTRODUCED BY Senator Yee
( Principal coauthor: Senator Steinberg )
( Coauthor: Senator De León Coauthors: Senators De León and Hancock )
( Coauthor: Assembly Member Portantino Coauthors: Assembly Members Feuer and Portantino )

APRIL 1, 2013

An act to amend Section 40113 of, to amend, repeal, and add Section 50800 of, and to add
Sections 50527 and 50618 to, the Penal Code, relating to communications of and/or about firearms.


LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST
SB 115, as amended, Yee. Electronic Communications: assault weapon conversations.
Assault weapon discussions. Existing law, with certain exceptions, entitles the
population to assault weapon discussions and conversations, as defined, and
protects citizens from violations subject to criminal penalties. Existing law defines
a conversation as a a dialog between one or more persons face-to-face (FTF), via landline
or cellular communication devices, or via other electronic communication pathways (i.e. the
public internet).

This bill would define "assault conversation" for this purpose to mean any conversation
between one or more civilians where one or more trigger words are used. The bill would
declare that these trigger words are contained in a living document that can be changed as
the government sees appropriate based on the behavior and emotional mentality of the general
population. Existing law would direct the Attorney General to adopt regulations, and would
make these amendments operative July 1, 2014. By expanding the definition of existing crimes,
this bill would impose a state-mandated local program. The California Constitution requires
the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would
provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. This bill would,
commencing July 1, 2014, and with certain exceptions, prohibit any person from making references
to weapons, selling books containing references to weapons, loaning books with references to weapons,
transferring recorded conversation where weapons or weaponry is discussed, or possessing any
conversations, digital or otherwise, as defined, designed solely and exclusively to convert certain
civilians with an anti-gun mentality into firearms afficiandos with the capacity to accept a
rational and logical argument regarding weapons, weaponry or the second amendment. Violations will
be subject to criminal penalties. By creating new crimes, this bill would impose a state-mandated
local program.


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[Koolbota]

More and more and more gouging for the girls here--


New CT Laws
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HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Connecticut lawmakers announced a deal Monday on what they called some of the toughest gun laws in the country that were proposed after the December mass shooting in the state, including a ban on new high-capacity ammunition magazines like the ones used in the massacre that left 20 children and six educators dead.

The proposal also called for background checks for private gun sales and a new registry for existing magazines that carry 10 or more bullets, something of a compromise for parents of Newtown victims who had wanted an outright ban on them, while legislators had proposed grandfathering them into the law.
The package also creates what lawmakers said is the nation's first statewide dangerous weapon offender registry, immediate universal background checks for all firearms sales and expansion of Connecticut's assault weapons ban.

A new state-issued eligibility certificate would also be needed to purchase any rifle, shotgun or ammunition under the legislation. To get the certificate, a buyer would need to be fingerprinted, take a firearms training course and undergo a national criminal background check and involuntary commitment or voluntary admission check.

The deal is "the most comprehensive package in the country because of its breadth," said Senate Minority Leader John McKinney, a Fairfield Republican whose district includes Newtown.

McKinney said people tend to focus on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, but he said "there's a lot here underneath the surface" addressing mental health, school security and other issues.

The proposal was revealed to rank-and-file lawmakers Monday after weeks of negotiations among legislative leaders. A vote was expected Wednesday in the Legislature, where Democrats control both chambers, making passage all but assured. The bill would then be sent to Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, who has helped lead efforts to strengthen the state's gun laws.

Connecticut is sending a message to Washington and the rest of the country "this is the way to get this job done," said House Speaker Brendan Sharkey, a Democrat from Hamden. Both Democratic and Republican leaders were expected to support the proposal.

The shooting reignited the gun debate in the country and led to calls for increased gun control legislation on the federal and state levels. While some other states, including New York, have strengthened their gun laws since the shooting, momentum has stalled in Congress, whose members were urged by President Barack Obama last week not to forget the shooting and to capitalize on the best chance in years to stem gun violence.

The gunman in Newtown blasted his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and fired off 154 shots with a Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle within five minutes. He went through six 30-round magazines, though half were not completely empty, and police said he had three other 30-round magazines in addition to one in the rifle. He gunned down 26 people, then shot himself to death with a handgun.
Six relatives of Newtown victims visited the Capitol on Monday, asking lawmakers to include a ban on existing high-capacity magazines. Some handed out cards with photographs of their slain children. They delivered a letter signed by 24 relatives that demanded that legislators include existing large-capacity ammunition magazines in the ban on the sale of magazines that carry 10 or more bullets.

Allowing such large-capacity magazines to remain in the hands of gun owners would leave a gaping loophole in the law, said Mark Barden, whose 7-year-old son, Daniel, was killed in the shooting.

"It doesn't prevent someone from going out of the state to purchase them and then bring them back. There's no way to track when they were purchased, so they can say, 'I had this before,'" Barden said. "So it's a big loophole."

Jake McGuigan, a spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which is based in Newtown, said he wouldn't comment on the proposal until he saw it in the writing, but he questioned the mechanics of a registry for magazines.

"How will they register a magazine? It seems a little weird," he said.
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Associated Press writer Stephen Singer contributed to this report.