Gun declaration at airport

[Firefighterchen]

Why would I not defend myself away from home?

You ever been taken to court gone through a full jury trial? You can defend yourself away from home, I will worry about myself.

What does going to trial and court have to do with taking your firearm on an airplane? I know you had a bad experience, but that was in a locker room right? Should I also not carry in locker rooms?

I only answered to your response because you left it an open ended question.

 

[rifleshooter474]

What does going to trial and court have to do with taking your firearm on an airplane? I know you had a bad experience, but that was in a locker room right? Should I also not carry in locker rooms?

I only answered to your response because you left it an open ended question.

I really don't care where you carry maybe this closes it right.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I really don't care where you carry maybe this closes it right.

I'm just curious...why do you even bother carrying a gun?

 

[rifleshooter474]

I'm just curious...why do you even bother carrying a gun?

How do you know i really own any firearms?

 

[Ladye]

Hey guys if you want to start fighting why don't you open a new thread. I just asked if anyone knew what kind of trouble I might be in, or if any trouble at all, for making a stupid mistake. I am a conscionable adult that learns from her mistakes. I will not be making a mistake like this again. We are all human "Navy" and we all make mistakes, what matters is that we fix those mistakes and also own up to them. I have every intention of owning up. No laws seem to have been broken, they did not confiscate the guns in Washington or Nevada they let me fix the mistake by declaring the firearms and sending me home with them. If there was a violation of the law they would have taken them from me and I would have gladly given them up. So please if you don't have anything to offer as far as my question about what the letter might be about then please stop posting laws. I appreciate that you wanted me to be more informed about the laws and statutes that you posted, and I have read them and taken all of it into consideration, but please don't get angry at me I just asked a question. As "firefighterchen" said I made an honest mistake and have learned from it. God Bless you and keep up the good work you do in providing information to people who need to learn.

 

[rifleshooter474]

Hey guys if you want to start fighting why don't you open a new thread. I just asked if anyone knew what kind of trouble I might be in, or if any trouble at all, for making a stupid mistake. I am a conscionable adult that learns from her mistakes. I will not be making a mistake like this again. We are all human "Navy" and we all make mistakes, what matters is that we fix those mistakes and also own up to them. I have every intention of owning up. No laws seem to have been broken, they did not confiscate the guns in Washington or Nevada they let me fix the mistake by declaring the firearms and sending me home with them. If there was a violation of the law they would have taken them from me and I would have gladly given them up. So please if you don't have anything to offer as far as my question about what the letter might be about then please stop posting laws. I appreciate that you wanted me to be more informed about the laws and statutes that you posted, and I have read them and taken all of it into consideration, but please don't get angry at me I just asked a question. As "firefighterchen" said I made an honest mistake and have learned from it. God Bless you and keep up the good work you do in providing information to people who need to learn.

You were very lucky many others making "honest mistakes" were not so lucky. I say don't push your luck one never knows how things will be handled in other cities. Airport security people can make "honest mistakes" also.

 

[NavyLCDR]

You were very lucky many others making "honest mistakes" were not so lucky. I say don't push your luck one never knows how things will be handled in other cities. Airport security people can make "honest mistakes" also.

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[Dekul34]

As far as the transfer problem, if it were illegal it'd be unenforceable because, presumably at some point the kids were residents of the same state as their parents no? And if the guns are old C&R types, all that's required is mom to say, "Oh? I gave those guns to them ages ago, they just stored them here." Viola... As far as the airport problem goes, yes you'll probably be given a fine with options on how to pay or eliminate it like explained above, you may have to send a letter of explanation and all that, just explain your situation or at worst pay your fine.

 

[rifleshooter474]

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Your replies are stupid.

 

[rifleshooter474]

As far as the transfer problem, if it were illegal it'd be unenforceable because, presumably at some point the kids were residents of the same state as their parents no? And if the guns are old C&R types, all that's required is mom to say, "Oh? I gave those guns to them ages ago, they just stored them here." Viola... As far as the airport problem goes, yes you'll probably be given a fine with options on how to pay or eliminate it like explained above, you may have to send a letter of explanation and all that, just explain your situation or at worst pay your fine.

Yeah good luck.

 

[carracer]

Unfortunately, the plain words and language contained in the Federal statutes state differently than your opinion.

"except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, "

I'm confused... Navy, could you straighten me out here? Am I reading this incorrectly?

 

[zeebea]

I brought a couple of handguns with me the last time I went to Florida. I went to the desks and declared my firearms. The ticket agent called and I was met by 2 TSA employees and a supervisor from the airport or airline, not sure who he was. Anyway the TSA guys I will call them 1 and 2. 1 asks me to remove them, make sure they are empty(1did ask before I opened the suitcase) and then hand them to 2 so he can inspect them, tag them then have me lock them back in the hard case and in the suitcase. The PPS 40 was first and went off fine. Then the Bodyguard 380 same thing. Last but not least comes the Sig 229 40. When 2 inspects it he hits the slide stop slamming it closed and then racks the slide, then starts to ask the supervisor a question. As 2 does this he is holding the weapon limp wristed and on its side, then he drops the hammer, using the trigger all the while pointing it right at 1. I look at 1, he says Jesus Christ Kevin, what the **** are you doing. I just shake my head, ask 2 if I can lock it up now and go on my way. 1 was not pleased and was explaining to 2 as I left the fact that he was pointing that thing right at him. That was at Logan airport in Boston, ma. Coming from Florida on the return they asked if the guns were loaded I said no and they handed me three tags, told me to place them on the boxes and lock my suitcase. Never even looked at them. Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you.

 

[BluesStringer]

Hey guys if you want to start fighting why don't you open a new thread. I just asked if anyone knew what kind of trouble I might be in, or if any trouble at all, for making a stupid mistake. I am a conscionable adult that learns from her mistakes. I will not be making a mistake like this again. We are all human "Navy" and we all make mistakes, what matters is that we fix those mistakes and also own up to them. I have every intention of owning up. No laws seem to have been broken, they did not confiscate the guns in Washington or Nevada they let me fix the mistake by declaring the firearms and sending me home with them. If there was a violation of the law they would have taken them from me and I would have gladly given them up. So please if you don't have anything to offer as far as my question about what the letter might be about then please stop posting laws. I appreciate that you wanted me to be more informed about the laws and statutes that you posted, and I have read them and taken all of it into consideration, but please don't get angry at me I just asked a question. As "firefighterchen" said I made an honest mistake and have learned from it. God Bless you and keep up the good work you do in providing information to people who need to learn.

Ladye, Navy often cites relevant law when a subject such as the one you raised comes up. I, personally, appreciate that he does it, as in every instance I can recall, his citation of the law unambiguously answered the original question. I have little doubt that that was his intention in this case as well.

However, it appears that carracer may have discovered a bit of code that contradicts Navy's understanding of the law this time. I will be interested to see how he answers it, but in all honesty, I'd be real surprised to see him be argumentative or intentionally insulting however he answers it. You did ask for people to give you what amounts to legal adivce and/or opinions. One of the best ways to do that is to turn to the applicable law itself. I'm pretty sure that's all Navy was trying to do, and will continue to do.

Blues

 

[carracer]

I always get good info from Navy and it's possible I may be misunderstanding what I think I am reading.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I brought a couple of handguns with me the last time I went to Florida. I went to the desks and declared my firearms. The ticket agent called and I was met by 2 TSA employees and a supervisor from the airport or airline, not sure who he was. Anyway the TSA guys I will call them 1 and 2. 1 asks me to remove them, make sure they are empty(1did ask before I opened the suitcase) and then hand them to 2 so he can inspect them, tag them then have me lock them back in the hard case and in the suitcase. The PPS 40 was first and went off fine. Then the Bodyguard 380 same thing. Last but not least comes the Sig 229 40. When 2 inspects it he hits the slide stop slamming it closed and then racks the slide, then starts to ask the supervisor a question. As 2 does this he is holding the weapon limp wristed and on its side, then he drops the hammer, using the trigger all the while pointing it right at 1. I look at 1, he says Jesus Christ Kevin, what the **** are you doing. I just shake my head, ask 2 if I can lock it up now and go on my way. 1 was not pleased and was explaining to 2 as I left the fact that he was pointing that thing right at him. That was at Logan airport in Boston, ma. Coming from Florida on the return they asked if the guns were loaded I said no and they handed me three tags, told me to place them on the boxes and lock my suitcase. Never even looked at them. Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you.

Just fyi in case anyone else is wondering if they ask to look at the firearms. I have had one airport (LAX) ask to verify the firearms were empty. I unlocked the box, showed them it was empty, relocked it, and showed them the box was secure and couldn't be opened. Every other time, they just wanted verbal confirmation they were empty, didn't check the firearms or the box. YMMV from airport to airport, don't be alarmed if they want to check the firearms or box, BUT DO NOT GIVE THEM THE COMBO OR KEY TO THE LOCK. As mentioned above, TSA agents aren't all firearm savvy, so make sure they are empty so they don't kill themselves with it.

 

[rifleshooter474]

I brought a couple of handguns with me the last time I went to Florida. I went to the desks and declared my firearms. The ticket agent called and I was met by 2 TSA employees and a supervisor from the airport or airline, not sure who he was. Anyway the TSA guys I will call them 1 and 2. 1 asks me to remove them, make sure they are empty(1did ask before I opened the suitcase) and then hand them to 2 so he can inspect them, tag them then have me lock them back in the hard case and in the suitcase. The PPS 40 was first and went off fine. Then the Bodyguard 380 same thing. Last but not least comes the Sig 229 40. When 2 inspects it he hits the slide stop slamming it closed and then racks the slide, then starts to ask the supervisor a question. As 2 does this he is holding the weapon limp wristed and on its side, then he drops the hammer, using the trigger all the while pointing it right at 1. I look at 1, he says Jesus Christ Kevin, what the **** are you doing. I just shake my head, ask 2 if I can lock it up now and go on my way. 1 was not pleased and was explaining to 2 as I left the fact that he was pointing that thing right at him. That was at Logan airport in Boston, ma. Coming from Florida on the return they asked if the guns were loaded I said no and they handed me three tags, told me to place them on the boxes and lock my suitcase. Never even looked at them. Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you.

That is something I sure don't wish to deal with ever. Myself I don't fly anymore air planes are poorly maintained with most major work done over seas by who knows. Inspection is done by e-mail from USA. Today our airlines in USA are on better then the Russians airlines, and they are bad.

 

[NavyLCDR]

"except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, "

I'm confused... Navy, could you straighten me out here? Am I reading this incorrectly?

However, it appears that carracer may have discovered a bit of code that contradicts Navy's understanding of the law this time. I will be interested to see how he answers it, but in all honesty, I'd be real surprised to see him be argumentative or intentionally insulting however he answers it. You did ask for people to give you what amounts to legal adivce and/or opinions. One of the best ways to do that is to turn to the applicable law itself. I'm pretty sure that's all Navy was trying to do, and will continue to do.

Blues

In order to acquire a firearm by bequest or intestate succession someone must die. Bequest means an inheritance left to someone in a will. Intestate succession is when a person dies without a will and the heirs receive their inheritance through an act of law or a court. Since nobody died in the OP's situation, the exception for bequest or intestate succession does not apply.

 

[NavyLCDR]

That is something I sure don't wish to deal with ever. Myself I don't fly anymore air planes are poorly maintained with most major work done over seas by who knows. Inspection is done by e-mail from USA. Today our airlines in USA are on better then the Russians airlines, and they are bad.

Do you drive or walk or ever even leave the house? In 2009 there were 4,092 pedestrians killed while walking. There are about 300 people killed every year by drivers who are driving on the wrong side of the road. Every year there are more than 10,000 people killed by drunk drivers. How many people die in flights by airlines operating under 14 CFR 121 (scheduled and nonscheduled commercial passenger service)? In the ten years from 2002 to 2011 there were a total of 166 airline fatalities. So, really rifleshooter474, don't you think it might be time to take off your

and join us in the real world?

 

[rifleshooter474]

Do you drive or walk or ever even leave the house? In 2009 there were 4,092 pedestrians killed while walking. There are about 300 people killed every year by drivers who are driving on the wrong side of the road. Every year there are more than 10,000 people killed by drunk drivers. How many people die in flights by airlines operating under 14 CFR 121 (scheduled and nonscheduled commercial passenger service)? In the ten years from 2002 to 2011 there were a total of 166 airline fatalities. So, really rifleshooter474, don't you think it might be time to take off your

and join us in the real world?

So now you are an expert on aircrafts and an expert on airline fatalities correct? Tell us what your aircraft experience is? You ever work on any type of aircraft? I would sure like to read your qualifications in these regards. Take your time Mr.Navy don't let me rush you do more Google searching for your answers.

 

[NavyLCDR]

The facts of the matter are that the OP's mother illegally transferred the firearms (gifted) to a person she knew did not currently reside in the same state in violation of 18 USC 922 (a)(5).

The OP illegally transported the firearms into their home state in violation of 18 USC 922 (a)(3).

The OP failed to comply with Federal TSA regulations regarding transporting firearms in checked baggage via commercial airline and got caught.

The outcome is that the OP will receive a letter from the TSA, very similar to a traffic ticket, with a fine that she can pay by mail or attempt to defend herself against, and if she keeps her mouth shut about how/where/from whom she acquired the firearms nobody with the power of prosecution will ever find out about the illegal transfer and receipt of the firearms.