What to do in a mugging situation?

[Mark Chitty]

You just have to evaluate the situation in the moment. If someone is a few feet away from you with a knife, by all means shoot them as you're backing up and yelling at them to drop the weapon. If they are inches away with that knife, let them take your wallet or purse and draw as they are retreating if you think you can do so safely. Just be careful not to shoot them in the back as they are fleeing. If they already have a gun pointed at you, don't even bother. A trigger pull takes a lot less time than a draw, no matter what you are drawing or from where. Keep in mind that if you carry in a purse, if you have to hand over your purse you are also handing over your gun. Any reaching in to a purse or pocket is going to be seen as a potential threat if you carry a purse, because they already know what they want is in there. One of the benefits to not having a purse is looking like you are going for your wallet might buy you an extra couple of seconds to draw. I always used to carry my wallet in my front pocket, but switched to my back pocket so that it is right by my gun. I always have the option to go for either.

 

[Shield06]

Put your gun in there face if someone is robbing you , they don't stop shoot them in the face . That ends that . Why hand over your wallet for ?

You my friend are the dumbest person on this forum. Hand over your CCL and do us a favor. If you pull your gun out
You shoot. And that is it, if your life is in danger. Stop giving advice before you kill somebody. Seriously.

 

[Treo]

That presumes one or both of the below:

1. The robber has blazing fast reflexes.
2. The citizen hesitates long enough for the robber to react.

If you put ME in immediate fear of life and limb, you've got a VANISHINGLY small window of opportunity to flee or submit. There will be NO warnings or hesitation.

The truth is you'll probably see the muzzle flash before you see the gun.

Anybody who doesn't like that is free to NOT try to rob me.

In late 97 I had a crack head try to mug me he came out form between two cars about 1o feet or so away and took off running when he saw the pistol clear the pocket of my sweats.

It can happen

 

[Treo]

Shoobee- I usually carry a very small cross body purse that has the metal cable in it to keep someone from cutting and snatching it.

Did you ever stop and think that if they grab that purse they now have you by a metal cable?

 

[Shoobee]

What if you have to draw and the bad guy runs as soon as he sees the gun?

My draw-and-shoot is less than 1 second, with OC. Probably close to 1/2 second (the time it takes to count to one-thou as a part of one-thousand-one, the length of one second time).

I would have already tried to indicate to him that he should bug out, and failed in that original objective.

Anytime you need to draw then shooting should be a natural continuation of your hand, forearm and finger motion. That's how you should train.

Simply because anytime you bring the gun out, the gun is then vulnerable. So the gun needs to do its job immediately, the job it was intended to do, if you are going to draw it, without hesitation. By deciding to draw, you have already decided to shoot. If shooting is not immediately appropriate, then drawing is not either.

 

[Shoobee]

Did you ever stop and think that if they grab that purse they now have you by a metal cable?

Well if the lady carries her weapon in a purse, the purse should be securely attached to her body.

And if she fears for her safety, her hand should already be on the gun.

 

[Shoobee]

In late 97 I had a crack head try to mug me he came out form between two cars about 1o feet or so away and took off running when he saw the pistol clear the pocket of my sweats.

It can happen

They always run when they see the weapon. That's why I like OC. OC has strong deterrence value. That has been my experience.

 

[justxboxin]

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They always run when they see the weapon. That's why I like OC. OC has strong deterrence value. That has been my experience.[/QUOTE]

Well said

 

[Treo]

My draw-and-shoot is less than 1 second, with OC.

Where, exactly, are you OCing a loaded gun in California?

They always run when they see the weapon. That's why I like OC. OC has strong deterrence value. That has been my experience.

Again, Where, exactly, are you OCing a loaded gun in California?

 

[CCWlady]

Did you ever stop and think that if they grab that purse they now have you by a metal cable?

It does have a quick release so I could get away from it. The idea of the purse is to stop someone from cutting it and running. To be honest I think having the purse cross body is probably a deterrent for most purse snatchers, I think they would look for an easier mark. I will probably not take a purse with me and carry my gun on my body as I usually do.

I see what you are saying though, I saw a video of a woman who got the heck beat out of her by a guy taking a purse off of her. He ran up behind her and punched her in the face so hard he broke her teeth. Then he proceeded to kick her on the ground while pulling her purse off.

 

[Deanimator]

In late 97 I had a crack head try to mug me he came out form between two cars about 1o feet or so away and took off running when he saw the pistol clear the pocket of my sweats.

It can happen

I'm not saying that it CAN'T happen, only that no assailant should bet his life on it.

 

[W4DM]

to CCWlady,

Have you tried appendix carry iwb, then walk around with a purse in that same location? Hides it well. keeps it close. And with a purse in the front it keeps your other valuables safe. I also find sitting down with the purse in your lap looks normal at your average eateries, sitting on the bus/taxi, etc. I find when i carry with tighter fitting clothing, the butt of the gun may show more than usual, but a purse in that locations whether its in front of the hips or behind hides anything i would be concerned about. Plus a girl with a purse in either locations looks perfectly normal. Just adjust the straps so that the main body of the purse hangs at the hips.

 

[Treo]

I'm not saying that it CAN'T happen, only that no assailant should bet his life on it.

Very true.

I take exception to all the posts I see all over the internet that state "If you draw had better shoot." or "If you draw you must shoot" The fact is that life isn't that concrete and being that dogmatic can get you in a whole lot of trouble.

I always say the bad guy has from the time I clear the holster until my sights are on the target to make some serious life choices and if he makes the right ones I'm OK with that.

 

[BC1]

They always run when they see the weapon. That's why I like OC. OC has strong deterrence value. That has been my experience.

No, they don't always run. Some continue to fight armed victims in their own homes. Some perps fight to get a cop's gun. Hardcore perps and ghetto rats know the other guy has a gun and still attack. And then there's flaco the tweeker. Flaco doesn't know what day it is. Nothing deters him.

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[Iam2Taz]

I don't believe you can carry in bars in NO. So another option would be a KA BAR - TDI knife. Arguably the fastest way to deploy a knife. Sets on your belt. While this may not be the best option, it is an option that is better than none.
Bottom line, head on a swivel, aware of your surroundings, but still having a good time. Stick in a group of friends.

Good Luck!

 

[eagleeyes]

that KA BAR - TDI knife. sounds pretty good as i'm in the market for a good tactical knife and the prices are more like what i can afford.....do you have one and are they sturdy and dependable in your opinion?? and can civilians purchase them?

 

[Shoobee]

that KA BAR - TDI knife. sounds pretty good as i'm in the market for a good tactical knife and the prices are more like what i can afford.....do you have one and are they sturdy and dependable in your opinion?? and can civilians purchase them?

Those biggies are made for combat and are too big for everyday applications.

Get one of these instead:

 

[Shoobee]

No, they don't always run. Some continue to fight armed victims in their own homes. Some perps fight to get a cop's gun. Hardcore perps and ghetto rats know the other guy has a gun and still attack. And then there's flaco the tweeker. Flaco doesn't know what day it is. Nothing deters him.

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Well I agree that the ghetto is no place to be unless you yourself live in the ghetto. And then it is a gunfight all day long.

My experience in my realm, the rest of the world, away from the ghetto, is that OC deters criminal minds from becoming potential perps.

They always instead attack weaklings. And a well trained OC is not a weakling. A well trained OC is a perp's worst nightmare.

 

[Shoobee]

Very true.

I take exception to all the posts I see all over the internet that state "If you draw had better shoot." or "If you draw you must shoot" The fact is that life isn't that concrete and being that dogmatic can get you in a whole lot of trouble.

I always say the bad guy has from the time I clear the holster until my sights are on the target to make some serious life choices and if he makes the right ones I'm OK with that.

I don't know about that Treo. I love your posts, don't get me wrong there.

But in my mind a weapon has weaknesses also.

Displaying a weapon magnifies those weaknesses. Then a weapon can be grabbed and wrestled away from you, which is then *YOUR* worst nightmare.

Ergo, if a confrontation gets to a point where you actually have to draw your weapon, then you should shoot immediately the most dangerous threat facing you, and any others in addition after that.

I am sure that's what they teach LEOs. And LEOs have the most dangerous jobs in the world, next to military in a combat zone, or spies behind enemy lines.

Thus it would be wise for the rest of us to learn from LEOs.

 

[tcox4freedom]

I don't know about that Treo. I love your posts, don't get me wrong there.

But in my mind a weapon has weaknesses also.

Displaying a weapon magnifies those weaknesses. Then a weapon can be grabbed and wrestled away from you, which is then *YOUR* worst nightmare.

Ergo, if a confrontation gets to a point where you actually have to draw your weapon, then you should shoot immediately the most dangerous threat facing you, and any others in addition after that.

I am sure that's what they teach LEOs. And LEOs have the most dangerous jobs in the world, next to military in a combat zone, or spies behind enemy lines.

Thus it would be wise for the rest of us to learn from LEOs.

Sorry Shoo-
I think you missed the mark with this post.

First- FAR More confrontations are ended without a single shot being fired than confrontations where "shooting" is warranted. Letting the BG know you are armed & will fight is enough in most cases. (Except where SA has utter failed and the attack is already in high gear.)

Second- Weapon retention training can be very effective in preventing your own firearm from being used against you.

Third- LEOs do NOT train to take their firearms out & immediately SHOOT! (LEOs are trained to know when to shoot & when NOT to shoot.)

On a personal note, I've been in several confrontations as a civilian and an LEO (30yrs ago) where presenting the firearm was ABSOLUTELY called for; but, shooting was NOT!

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