golocx4
Got Beretta's?
YUP, and it will be a cold day before anyone spots me. Kind a like Don't ask Don't Tell.
no guns allowed response
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YUP, and it will be a cold day before anyone spots me. Kind a like Don't ask Don't Tell.
I would feel the same way in my house or my business it is my right to controll what is allowed.I have rights and they have rights.You can choose to go into the business or not no big deal to me either way and if you are concealed properly no one should ever know and if they ask me to leave it is there right not mine to decide if they own the business.The Brady reference please all I can do is laugh and I have never supported the Brady bill.The NRA is in St.louis this week and having there convention in the civic center that does not allow open carry or concealed carry.
The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
You are a sarcastic hypocritical a$$ i.m.h.o.
People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.
~SMH~
Salar Esfahani
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That is because Missouri law says that any area or stadium that fits over 15,000 (believe that is the magic number) you're not allowed to carry a firearm into unless you are on duty law enforcement... They do the same things for all the sporting events, gun shows, car shows, etc....
defender829
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The_Outlaw:299082 said:
Yeah, "We don't want no Wyatt Earp like you, pertectin' hisself".
David Ilten
Dangerous Dave
I have heard the same response from Costco, my Doctors office and several other retail places....complete silence and a look of contempt when they realize the fallacy of their thinking. Not that it changes anything, because these things are usually corporate decisions and the Pee-ons that you ask to wouldn't be able to change it even if they wanted to. I wanted to stop filling perscriptions at Walgreens because they fired a Pharmicist for using a concealed carry weapon to prevent a robbery of the pharmacy, but I couldn't find another pharmacy with the ease of use that Walgreens has....so grudgingly I still use them. Just like Costco, and my Doctors office, sometimes you just have to bend the rules a little bit. I would rather have to aplogize later and claim ignorance than ask permission sometimes. I know that isn't really a smart thing to do most times, and I'm not saying anyone should purposly break the rules, but being in the profession I'm in it would seem that off duty Law Enforcement would be immune to these "no guns allowed" signs.
Cynical
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I agree, the signs are a joke. Quite like the fact that in STL it's illegal to carry on public buses - anyone who weighs robbery or worse on their conscience and decides to proceed is going to do so regardless of the mere illegality of the act.
I've got a bit of an internal debate on this topic though that I'll treat you all to.
Say you're in a bank that's getting held up. The teller is cooperating with the baddie, who is obviously hopped up on adrenaline, but otherwise appears to be relatively in control of himself. No one has been hurt, though I'll allow you that no one has been hurt yet.
Do you draw and attempt to put the baddie down? Assuming you're successful, I don't think there would be any criticism for the act. But say you miss, or graze, or any one of a thousand unfortunate scenarios in which he has time to or is able to react. He shoots. Maybe he hits you, maybe he hits the person to your left, or behind you. Maybe the worst happens and you hit someone ELSE.
Maybe someone else dies because you decided to stop a guy from robbing the bank.
It's a lot of maybes, and speculation, but like O'Toole, I think that Murphy was an optimist.
We all like to make fun of Hollywood, but if we're honest with ourselves, don't we always portray ourselves as the triumphant hero, the expert marksman, when we envision such scenarios?
I think it's something that should be taken into consideration. I like to think that's the real point of the signs, that there are consequences when good guys draw their weapons, too.
Now, if the baddie is acting in a way that you genuinely think he really intends to do harm, then I would wholeheartedly say YES, put him down.
Just my well over thought two cents.
I've got a bit of an internal debate on this topic though that I'll treat you all to.
Say you're in a bank that's getting held up. The teller is cooperating with the baddie, who is obviously hopped up on adrenaline, but otherwise appears to be relatively in control of himself. No one has been hurt, though I'll allow you that no one has been hurt yet.
Do you draw and attempt to put the baddie down? Assuming you're successful, I don't think there would be any criticism for the act. But say you miss, or graze, or any one of a thousand unfortunate scenarios in which he has time to or is able to react. He shoots. Maybe he hits you, maybe he hits the person to your left, or behind you. Maybe the worst happens and you hit someone ELSE.
Maybe someone else dies because you decided to stop a guy from robbing the bank.
It's a lot of maybes, and speculation, but like O'Toole, I think that Murphy was an optimist.
We all like to make fun of Hollywood, but if we're honest with ourselves, don't we always portray ourselves as the triumphant hero, the expert marksman, when we envision such scenarios?
I think it's something that should be taken into consideration. I like to think that's the real point of the signs, that there are consequences when good guys draw their weapons, too.
Now, if the baddie is acting in a way that you genuinely think he really intends to do harm, then I would wholeheartedly say YES, put him down.
Just my well over thought two cents.
In Texas, if you unintentionally shoot yerself, you can't bring your firearm to the hospital to protect yerself from people who might shoot you again.
In the state of Indiana only of you do not leave when asked can you be arrested for trespassing.
Danmc
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My CC instructor told a story of an armed and experienced FBI Agent who was standing in line at the bank waiting his turn to do a transaction, when a baddie came in to rob the place. There were several customers in the bank as well as employees. The robber got away with some loot without hurting anybody. When the Police came and interviewed witnesses including the FBI agent, the cops asked the agent why he did not draw his weapon to try and stop the robbery? The agent responded by saying that it was too risky...innocent people could have been hurt or killed.
roosterbooster3632
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Many differing opinions on this subject
I am a business owner in WI and I have chosen to not post any signs related to CCW. When the CCW in WI first passed many businesses here were not sure what to do. I spoke to our legal counsel and they did not have a firm position on this. The response was that until there is some case in the state it would be hard to know what the precidence would be. I've heard the story that if you post a no CCW sign at your business and someone came into your business and were harmed by another patron that they could sue the business for not allowing them to carry and protect themselves. I learned that this is not the case. That person made their own decision to disarm themselves and enter the business so they did it by choice. On the other hand if you have a no CCW sign on your business and an employee gets harmed by another person they can sue you because they have to be able to sustain a living and you forced them to disarm themselves when entering the workplace.
Personally I think the No CCW signs are a joke. I don't believe one has every stopped a would be crook from doing what they intended. If I see a no CCW sign I just won't support that business. I won't leave my gun in the car for a would be thief to break into the car to try and steal. I have a gun vault in my car but it would still be a pain if someone broke into the car. I usually will call the business later and tell them I would like to patronize their business but won't do so while that sign is in place. It usually leads to an interesting discussion and I would say that 75% of the time by the time we are done talking the business decides to take down the sign. I actually found one business that was the total opposite. They had several signs around stating that patrons that showed their CCW permit got a 5% discount. This was a 24 hr gas station / convenience store that was in a sketchy area. I was curious so I called them later and spoke with the Mgr. He stated that they used to have several robbery attempts and that since they had put up the signs there had been a notable reduction.
I am a business owner in WI and I have chosen to not post any signs related to CCW. When the CCW in WI first passed many businesses here were not sure what to do. I spoke to our legal counsel and they did not have a firm position on this. The response was that until there is some case in the state it would be hard to know what the precidence would be. I've heard the story that if you post a no CCW sign at your business and someone came into your business and were harmed by another patron that they could sue the business for not allowing them to carry and protect themselves. I learned that this is not the case. That person made their own decision to disarm themselves and enter the business so they did it by choice. On the other hand if you have a no CCW sign on your business and an employee gets harmed by another person they can sue you because they have to be able to sustain a living and you forced them to disarm themselves when entering the workplace.
Personally I think the No CCW signs are a joke. I don't believe one has every stopped a would be crook from doing what they intended. If I see a no CCW sign I just won't support that business. I won't leave my gun in the car for a would be thief to break into the car to try and steal. I have a gun vault in my car but it would still be a pain if someone broke into the car. I usually will call the business later and tell them I would like to patronize their business but won't do so while that sign is in place. It usually leads to an interesting discussion and I would say that 75% of the time by the time we are done talking the business decides to take down the sign. I actually found one business that was the total opposite. They had several signs around stating that patrons that showed their CCW permit got a 5% discount. This was a 24 hr gas station / convenience store that was in a sketchy area. I was curious so I called them later and spoke with the Mgr. He stated that they used to have several robbery attempts and that since they had put up the signs there had been a notable reduction.
BuddhaKat
The Big Happy Fat Kat
Here in Reno, NV. I open carry into my bank all the time and have never had a problem. US Bank btw. Not so much as an awkward look from any teller or customer, even when I walked into branches I've never been into before.
I'm torn about openly carrying into the IHOP in Carson city that had the nutjob that cut loose and killed a bunch of people. My father used to sell pancake mix and really despised IHOP because all they were concerned with was cheap pricing over quality, so as a matter of family, we've boycotted IHOP for a LONG time. I continued the tradition after his death in '93, just cause he was such a great guy. Somehow, I don't think he'd mind if I broke with tradition to show my support for a business that has suffered such a tragedy. However, I don't want to do it to make a political statement, rather to say that this gun carrying, law abiding citizen supports THEM. Agreed, I can do that without coming in with my gun, visible, but I would want them to know that I'm not a threat, even though I'm armed. I suppose that could be construed as 'political', but wouldn't be my purpose.
Let's not start an OC vs CC debate here though. It's been beat to death and it's seriously off topic.
I'm torn about openly carrying into the IHOP in Carson city that had the nutjob that cut loose and killed a bunch of people. My father used to sell pancake mix and really despised IHOP because all they were concerned with was cheap pricing over quality, so as a matter of family, we've boycotted IHOP for a LONG time. I continued the tradition after his death in '93, just cause he was such a great guy. Somehow, I don't think he'd mind if I broke with tradition to show my support for a business that has suffered such a tragedy. However, I don't want to do it to make a political statement, rather to say that this gun carrying, law abiding citizen supports THEM. Agreed, I can do that without coming in with my gun, visible, but I would want them to know that I'm not a threat, even though I'm armed. I suppose that could be construed as 'political', but wouldn't be my purpose.
Let's not start an OC vs CC debate here though. It's been beat to death and it's seriously off topic.
snatale42
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Where the hell do smoking sections still exist? Haven't seen one since I was a kid!
