Black Talons

As has been said, Black Talons were never banned, just sales restricted by the manufacturer. Do they even manufacture "Black Talons" by name anymore? And as has also been stated, Black Talons and teflon coated ammo are two completely different things. Teflon coated ammo is banned, for the reason that it can neutralize the defensive capabilities of soft kevlar body armour by pushing the fibers out of the way, rather than getting caught in the weave and stopped. For this reason, only FMJ teflon coated bullets are actually effective at defeating soft kevlar, as even a teflon coated JHP would still find enough fibers snagged on its blunt nose to stop it. And, of course, no teflon coated bullet, FMJ or otherwise is going to defeat a hard kevlar trauma plate by virtue of its teflon coating.

"Cop killer" ammo is a term like "assault weapon", a fabrication by the Liberal MSM hype machine. Both Black Talons and teflon coated bullets have been tarred and feathered with the "cop killer" smear, even though no Black Talon has ever been used against a police officer of which I am aware.

As for the contention that a bullet is a "cop killer" if it has the capability of defeating soft kevlar body armour of the type used by law enforcement, as so many Liberal lawmakers attempt to stipulate in one or another of their heinously badly written bills from time to time, that would effectively ban all rifle hunting within the jurisdiction, as any proper .223 or .308 deer rifle packs enough kenetic energy at the tip of a FMJ to eat through soft kevlar like a hot knife through butter. Soft kevlar is meant to stop handgun rounds, not rifle rounds. The terminal ballistics are vastly different.

But such nuances of objective reality are lost on people who go about with "cop killer bullets" on their lips.

Where to begin?

Black Talons were never banned, just sales restricted by the manufacturer.

False
Winchester stop making the Black Talons period because of the publicity issues. They were never restricted for sale to cops only you are think about KTWs which leads us to item number two,
In 1993 Winchester removed the ammunition from public sale,[12] and eventually law enforcement began using the re-branded Ranger SXT line of the same basic design, but at no time was Black Talon ammunition illegal to possess.

Rread more here Black Talon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Teflon coated ammo is banned, for the reason that it can neutralize the defensive capabilities of soft kevlar body armour by pushing the fibers out of the way, rather than getting caught in the weave and stopped.

False
KTWs are a restricted item by the manufacturer who has never offered them for sale to anyone but law enforcement.

In the mid 1960's, Dr. Paul Kopsch (an Ohio coroner), Daniel Turcos (a police sergeant) and Donald Ward (Dr. Kopsch's special investigator) began experimenting with special purpose handgun ammunition. Their objective was to develop a law enforcement round capable of improved penetration against hard targets like windshield glass and automobile doors. Conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, are often ineffective against hard targets especially when fired at handgun velocities. In the 1970's, Kopsch, Turcos and Ward produced their "KTW" handgun ammunition using steel cored bullets capable of great penetration. Following further experimentation, in 1981 they began producing bullets constructed primarily of brass. The hard brass bullets caused exceptional wear on handgun barrels, a problem combated by coating the bullets with Teflon. The Teflon coating did nothing to improve penetration, it simply reduced damage to the gun barrel.

Despite the facts that "KTW" ammunition had never been available to the general public and that no police officer has ever been killed by a handgun bullet penetrating their body armor, the media incorrectly reported that the Teflon coated bullets were designed to defeat the body armor that law enforcement officers were beginning to use. The myth of "Cop-killer" bullets was born.

Read more here
GunCite-Gun Control: "Cop-killer" Bullets

Gawd I love internet gun myths
 
Black Talon bullets were never banned, or in any way made illegal.

Following the Long Island Railroad Mass Murder in 1993, Black Talon ammunition attained notoriety in the media and with the anti-gun lobby. Subsequently, one of the shooting victim's family members filed a lawsuit against Olin, Inc, trying to hold them responsible for the victim's death. The lawsuit, however, was dismissed.

Winchester discontinued the public sale of Black Talon line of ammunition later in 1993. In 2000, they discontinued the line entirely. The current Ranger SXT ammunition is the same as the Black Talons, but without the black lubalox coating.

Source:
Black Talon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I carry the Winchester SXZ40 Personal Protection round and it does have the black Lubalox coating. Just bought the ammo in July of 2011. So the "Black Talon" name may have gone away due to political pressure but the ammunition is still available.

If it is commercially available, why would the ammunition type matter when it comes to a defensive shooting?
 
Ranger T series is the same ammo minus the black Lubalox coating... I have a few boxes of it.. Sent some to a friend in need.. No one has as of yet, kicked in my front door... Carry them and use them as you wish.. At the point you decide to shoot someone in self defense, the bullet choice is hardly the issue...
 
Now that's funny.
And unfortunately there's a lot of truth to it.
I'm of the opinion that DAs are a lot like Attorneys General, that is "Governors-in-Waiting", waiting to make their bones at yours and anyone else's expense.
Don't get into the system, but if you do, expect Murphy's Law to smack you across your puss.
GLTA
 
Btw, does anyone have any ballistic info on this round--muzzle velocity and muzzle energy. I have a stiffer recoil system to combat the higher pressure rounds I use and not sure if the BT would have the muscle to overcome the tension.
 
Now that's funny.
And unfortunately there's a lot of truth to it.
I'm of the opinion that DAs are a lot like Attorneys General, that is "Governors-in-Waiting", waiting to make their bones at yours and anyone else's expense.
Don't get into the system, but if you do, expect Murphy's Law to smack you across your puss.
GLTA

I view the courts as just another business under the corporation called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and they are all about trying to get your money. The more you have the more they try and get and if your poor then ya go to jail to pay your debt to them
 

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