Here's you gun grab....

yeehaw, wow i just happened to get back to this post. i should have known OC would be such a hot issue. i wish i had paid closer attention so i could have responded to the lieutenant's response to my post. sir, number one: i hold you in pretty high regard, my post was not an attack on those who choose to OC; in fact, i applaud open carry. number two: i often speak in hyperbole; i wasn't quoting real life statistics. by "98% of the time" what i meant was "more often than not". kind of like rush limbaugh claiming to be right "99.8% of the time" lol. i apologize, i'll be more careful with my wording in the future.
 
NavyLCDR:248621 said:
Rich_S said:
Really? So it's not to cause a spectacle in public with a group of people with guns and then ask people if the sight of your gun scares them and offer a tissue?
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No. My signature line is directed as those "pro-gun", "pro-2A" people on this forum who can't seem to tolerate Americans who don't normally hide their guns away like they feel the need to. I'll be happy to send you a box of monogrammed tissues, Rich_S.
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I think it is the arrogance we can't stand.
 
From the article:

Tyler, 48, had a concealed-carry permit, but his handgun was plainly visible that night in his holster, Johnson said.

"The suspects walk in and one immediately reached for Mr. Tyler's gun," Johnson said. Tyler did not draw his weapon.

According to court papers, Smith took Tyler's gun during a struggle and shot Tyler in the chest after the victim chased Smith inside the store.
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A true gun grab.

Wait for it. Here it comes... Wait... Wait...

Exposed gun = gun grab by BG. Better watch out all you OCer's! :-D

The story does give some credence to the other arguments about the BG grabbing an OC gun. I wonder how much the holster selection had to do with the ease of the BG getting the gun.

Hope both BG's get fried.
 
dusted said:
i often speak in hyperbole; i wasn't quoting real life statistics. by "98% of the time" what i meant was "more often than not". kind of like rush limbaugh claiming to be right "99.8% of the time" lol.
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Posing a serious question here, dusted. Can I ask by what research and statistics you have read or seen that justifies a conclusion that open carry is a bad idea "more often than not?" I would like to see real research and statistics to support that assertion as it is made quite a lot, and I haven't seen any research or history to indicate that it is true "more often than not."

That said, there are certainly persons in locations and situations where concealed carry is the much better choice.
 
Rich_S:249013 said:
NavyLCDR said:
That said, there are certainly persons in locations and situations where concealed carry is the much better choice.
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Would these be the people who feel the need to hide their guns away and therefore need tissues?
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Damn, the guy even makes a reasonable compromise on the issue and you act like an adolescent...
 
Those kids didn't have a gun until they took it from the OCer, and apparently he was targeted for that very reason. This country is rife with bad areas populated with hoodrats like these perps. And when they get cars, they drive into nice areas. If/when a million people start OCing in this country on a daily basis, stories like this will be more common.

OC at your own risk. It's your life....and maybe somebody else's too.
 
Open versus concealed carry aside, there was a struggle before the BG got the gun away. That suggests that the carrier had the opportunity to prevent the disarm. He obviously needed more training in retention technique. This is a much neglected aspect of carry.
 
Seems to me that this "circle of life" keeps circling.

Therefore, I decree that OC'ers and CC'ers keep to their druthers and not hassle each other as to particulars of how each "set" proposes to "protect himself and others".

So let it be written! So let it be done!
(So let there be silence from everyone's gun!)

Survivors (or non) can discuss the success ratio of each POV in the hereafter at the pub of their choice. (Thumbs up!)

(That, alone, should be enough to get everyone's righteous indignation ruffled enough to keep the forums going for a while. LOL!) Entertainment value, gentlemen, is EVERYTHING! (... and nothing.)

GG
 
so what if it IS? The sob needs blowing away, right? BTW, the moron is more likely to be using a knife or club, making the shooting of him a lot safer/easier on everyone but the jerk that it SHOULD be hard on!
 
Grognard Gunny said:
I decree that OC'ers and CC'ers keep to their druthers and not hassle each other as to particulars of how each "set" proposes to "protect himself and others".
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That is the crucial point. This argument, exactly like the 2A versus Brady Campaign argument, is based on feeling and little or no facts, and always seems to degenerate into a pointless pissing contest.
 
Anubis said:
That is the crucial point. This argument, exactly like the 2A versus Brady Campaign argument, is based on feeling and little or no facts, and always seems to degenerate into a pointless pissing contest.
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Wow is that ever wrong. The 2A versus Brady Campaign is full of facts when supporting the 2nd Amendment. We now have like 40 states that have "shall issue", crime consistently goes down when "shall issue" is instituted particularly confrontational crime. Gun control typically yeieds either no change or an increase in crime. Take a look at both of John Lott's books and become familiar with the facts.
 
maybejim said:
Gun control typically yields either no change or an increase in crime. Take a look at both of John Lott's books and become familiar with the facts.
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I was unclear.

I have read "More Guns, Less Crime". I stipulate the correlation, but no one can prove to a certainty that more guns cause less crime. The 2A side of the argument is based on the idea that to enhance self-defense with a weapon is rational, but the Brady side is based purely on feelings. So the manifestations of both the 2A/Brady and CC/OC arguments do not turn on facts.
 
I have to admit, if it weren't for my OC holster being equipped with a retention lock I would be more nervous about my OC. The lock isn't a guarantee that no one could get my gun from me, but it does put an impediment in their way, hopefully sufficient enough to give me time to react.

Personally, I'd rather have the ability to draw and fire quickly rather than have to take the time to pull up my shirt to get access to my IWB weapon.

I think there are always going to be situations where someone made the wrong choice, whether good or bad. But if you think about it, there's no way to say that any one preference is superior to the other. The simple fact is, it depends on the circumstances of the particular event. I learned this when someone asked what the odds are that a flipped coin will land on heads? The answer, 50/50. Now, what are the odds it will land on heads if you flip it 10 times? It's still 50/50 because each flip is its own, unique toss.
 
Your "odds" are correct, but the "Probabilities" of having 10 "heads" in a row.... Lesser, but the "formula" escapes me. (It's been a while.)

GG
 
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