Not necessarily so for me. In deciding to draw you still must make a split-second decision on whether deadly force is warranted. You're saying that you can't possibly conceive of any scenario in which merely brandishing the weapon would stop the threat?
I don't believe in brandishing. As I stated, if I have made a decision to draw, the reason is to fire my weapon. I'm not going to show you my weapon... if you see it, you are already shot.
I don't believe in brandishing. As I stated, if I have made a decision to draw, the reason is to fire my weapon. I'm not going to show you my weapon... if you see it, you are already shot.
Sometimes you don't even have to show your steel.
Last time I had a run-in, a local idiot stood in front of me, telling me how he was gonna knock my head off. I had my hand on my pistol, in a pocket holster. I looked him in the eye and said, "Take your best shot." He looked at me, looked at where my hand was, and walked back to his car.
Why even bother acknowledging the other guy. He wanted to start a fight, if given a chance, I would get out of there. No reason to take a chance that it will turn ugly. If you did end up having to shoot the guy, witnesses stories, though different will probably in some way reflect you acknowledging the hostile situation and choosing to participate rather than walk away.
Use of deadly force is only warranted to STOP an attack, not prevent one or to fix something that you had a part in elevating to the "deadly force" level.
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Why even bother acknowledging the other guy. He wanted to start a fight, if given a chance, I would get out of there. No reason to take a chance that it will turn ugly. If you did end up having to shoot the guy, witnesses stories, though different will probably in some way reflect you acknowledging the hostile situation and choosing to participate rather than walk away.
Use of deadly force is only warranted to STOP an attack, not prevent one or to fix something that you had a part in elevating to the "deadly force" level.
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No choice but to "acknowledge" him. We're standing nose to nose, he planted himself in front of me, starts screaming, my daughters are in my truck about ten feet away.... I backed him off without shooting him, and to me, that is the reason for carrying: so you do not have to fire your weapon. It's not the same reason exactly that a cop carries a gun, to apprehend and subdue. I carry a gun to avoid having to shoot, and to be able to if I have to.
I do believe in brandishing. Ninety nine times out of a hundred, just the sight of a gun (or in the event of a home invasion, the sound of a round being chambered in a pump shotgun) will stop a BG in his tracks.
No choice but to "acknowledge" him. We're standing nose to nose, he planted himself in front of me, starts screaming, my daughters are in my truck about ten feet away.... I backed him off without shooting him, and to me, that is the reason for carrying: so you do not have to fire your weapon. It's not the same reason exactly that a cop carries a gun, to apprehend and subdue. I carry a gun to avoid having to shoot, and to be able to if I have to. In the situation I described, I did not even have to show my weapon. I chose to do what I deemed necessary to stop the scenario from escalating. At that point, my goal was to stop the whole deal, which I did quite successfully, and that is the real acid test: did it work? Yup. If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid.
While you may not believe in brandishing, it is a legitimate tool to defuse a poentially deadly situation. Cops do it every day of the world, as do private citizens. Again, the end result is the most important part. That does not always hold true for cops, who have to make every move under the microscope, and avoid rights violations and such.
Sometimes you don't even have to show your steel.
Last time I had a run-in, a local idiot stood in front of me, telling me how he was gonna knock my head off. I had my hand on my pistol, in a pocket holster. I looked him in the eye and said, "Take your best shot." He looked at me, looked at where my hand was, and walked back to his car.
I have to clarify my post. I was an off-duty sheriff's deputy, and as Slade said, the best gunfight is the one you avoid. I did call a friend of mine who happened to be an on-duty Casa Grande PD officer and told him about the three idiots, and before we pulled out of the parking lot, a patrol car was spotlighting the nooks and crannies of the mall. My wife did not have a permit at that time, because Arizona had not as yet passed the CCW law, and only police and military personnel could carry concealed, in connection with their duties.
I do believe in brandishing. Ninety nine times out of a hundred, just the sight of a gun (or in the event of a home invasion, the sound of a round being chambered in a pump shotgun) will stop a BG in his tracks.
I dont know how the self defense act reads in everyone elses state, but in Oklahoma if someone is fighting you without a weapon you cannot pull your pistol unless:
they are attempting to get your weapon
they produce a weapon
you can articulate "without a shadow of a doubt" that they planned to kill you or your wife, kids, employer, employee, etc..
If you brandish a weapon to avoid a fistfight, you are held liable in this state for criminal charges
If you already have your hand on a pistol or have it pulled already, you have hard-wired that the situation is going to be an armed response even if it lands you in prison.
If someone runs at you and starts punching you in the face, and you shoot them, it is murder and you will do time.
They really need to have F.A.T.S. (Fire Arms Training Simulator) available to the public, it is a very good learning tool.
Thankfully it is not that way in Texas. A large man could kill a smaller person with his hands.
Thankfully it is not that way in Texas. A large man could kill a smaller person with his hands.
Please take my word on it that I am not being argumentative with this but:
You can shoot an unarmed man to death in a Texas street fight and just say that he could have hurt you so you took his life?
What is to stop people from going around and shooting anyone that upsets them, and just saying that they were attempting to fight you? After all, there is only one story at that point.
Are you sure that this is the case HK4U??
I might have just come up with a plan to halt illegal immigration in Texas if this is the case :butcher:
I dont know how the self defense act reads in everyone elses state, but in Oklahoma if someone is fighting you without a weapon you cannot pull your pistol unless:
they are attempting to get your weapon
they produce a weapon
you can articulate "without a shadow of a doubt" that they planned to kill you or your wife, kids, employer, employee, etc..
If you brandish a weapon to avoid a fistfight, you are held liable in this state for criminal charges
If you already have your hand on a pistol or have it pulled already, you have hard-wired that the situation is going to be an armed response even if it lands you in prison.
If someone runs at you and starts punching you in the face, and you shoot them, it is murder and you will do time.
They really need to have F.A.T.S. (Fire Arms Training Simulator) available to the public, it is a very good learning tool.
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