Woman held at knifepoint, sue township for $5M


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Woman held at knifepoint in Woodbridge Center Mall plans to sue township for $5M

She was grabbed by a desperate parolee and who held her with a knife to her throat in Woodbridge Center Mall until a police officer shot and killed the man.

Now the woman, Ellen Shane, 62, of Carteret, plans to sue the township for $5 million, claiming it failed to protect public safety and that she was injured as
a result of the officers acts.

Figure she would thank the police officer for saving her life??

Woman held at knifepoint in Woodbridge Center Mall plans to sue township for $5M | NJ.com

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That cops got aim, managed to get a headshot while the bad guy was still holding the victim. Big props for that, the victims claim is ********, another reason more people should be armed.
 
It's not the womans fault. It's the damm lawyer for taking a case like that. In a perfect world the lawyer would say "he saved your live you should go give him a bj" It will be interesting to see what the jury gives to this old broad should it go to trail. Juries now a days are just as bad a these leech lawyers bring the suits.
 
since that woman sued mc d's who put hot coffee between her legs and burn't her ***** won her ridiculous case for over a million dollars no less....... nothing the courts do surprise me anymore
 
gilfo The attorney's an ass true, but she and her husband are bigger asses in my book. He saved her LIFE! Maybe had she been more aware of her surroundings she wouldn't have needed saving. @#$% happens sometimes you just gotta man up. Shoot Straight!
 
A number of points to sum some things up.
Judges that do not give maximum sentences.
DA that will plea-bargain for lesser crimes so they can get a conviction.
Parole boards that turn hardened criminal loose.
And a number of sheep that blame who ever have money so they can get a settlement.
And as you all know that sheep do not like the sheepdogs, even though the sheepdogs put themselves in harm’s way to save the sheep, the sheep are not grateful.
 
Say it with me, boys and girls. "The Link Removed an individual, only the public at large."

Lawsuit should be thrown out quickly, as the officer obviously did his duty, in that he protected the public at large.
 
This is typical N.Y-N.J. I am from the tri-state area and got rear-ended on Rt 17. Within 2 days I had multiple ambulance chasers sending me letters trying to drum up a lawsuit. I wasn't hurt in anyway and threw all of them in the garbage. They were insinuating that due to my "injuries" I was "entitled" to monetary damages. What "injuries"?? Typical for this area.
 
Say it with me, boys and girls. "The Link Removed an individual, only the public at large."

Lawsuit should be thrown out quickly, as the officer obviously did his duty, in that he protected the public at large.

I just cannot for the life of me find where the police have a duty to protect the public at large. Could you show me that some where?
 
Woman held at knifepoint in Woodbridge Center Mall plans to sue township for $5M

She was grabbed by a desperate parolee and who held her with a knife to her throat in Woodbridge Center Mall until a police officer shot and killed the man.

Now the woman, Ellen Shane, 62, of Carteret, plans to sue the township for $5 million, claiming it failed to protect public safety and that she was injured as
a result of the officers acts.

Figure she would thank the police officer for saving her life??

Woman held at knifepoint in Woodbridge Center Mall plans to sue township for $5M | NJ.com

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The only thing that is required to sue someone is filling out the right paperwork and a nominal court fee. Anyone can sue anyone for anything... the question remains, will she win. I likely think she will not. PTS? Really? Don't you think the PTS was caused by the BG and not the police. *rolls eyes*
 
Well...i don't think this lady should be suing the police for saving her life. She should be suing the justice department for allowing this piece of crap out into the streets. A lot of criminals shouldn't be allowed second chances after their crimes...there needs to be accountability for parole boards, judges, and defense lawyers. Society just doesn't need you if you are willing to roll the dice with other peoples lives.
 
"Instead of attempting to resolve the situation, Barrett took out his gun and shot the suspect while he was holding Mrs. Shane..."

Situation resolved. Props to the LEO. He was obviously well acquainted with his sidearm.

She's just upset that she didn't have a chance to appear on TV at the center of a huge hostage negotiation like she has seen on so many shows......
 
I just cannot for the life of me find where the police have a duty to protect the public at large. Could you show me that some where?

"Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."
Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)

"...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

"You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole. It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection." SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES

Bolding is added.

There have been no fewer than 10 SCOTUS decisions that confirm the interpretation that the police have no obligation to protect the individual citizen; rather, their duty is to the general public. That is why opposition against SYG make no sense. On one hand, the SCOTUS says we are on our own to protect ourselves as individuals, while on the other hand the anti's argue that we have no right to protect ourselves under the Second Amendment. The SCOTUS opinion stating that we are responsible for our own security makes SYG absolutely essential.
 
Police have No Duty to Protect You
This is critical reading – if you are under the impression that law enforcement is going to save you from anything….think again!

Have you ever called a police station when trouble was coming your way, and were told that, “until something happened they (the police) were powerless to do anything?” This happens EVERY day!

You are responsible for your safety and the safety of those you love – make no mistake about it.

The information we are presenting here is to educate you, and, is actual case law.

Knowledge….is power!




Police have No Legal or Constitutional Duty to Protect You……

“…there is no constitutional right to be protected by the State against being murdered by criminals or madmen.” [Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 (1882)

See Also: Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477F.Supp.1262 (E.D.Pa. 1979)]

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In 1856, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that local law enforcement had no duty to protect a particular person, but only a general duty to enforce the laws. [South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (HOW) 396,15 L.Ed., 433 (1856)].There are numerous court cases which hold that the police have no legal obligation to protect individuals. Here are some relevant cases, some with background:

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Carolyn Warren, of Washington, D.C., called the police on 16 March 1975: two intruders had smashed the back door to her house and had attacked a female house-mate. After calling the police, Warren and another house-mate took refuge on a lower back roof of the building.

The police went to the front door and knocked. Warren, afraid to go downstairs, could not answer. The police officers left without checking the back door.

Warren again called the police and was told that they would respond.
Assuming they had returned, Warren called out to the house-mate, thus revealing her own location.
The two intruders then rounded up all three women. “For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of the intruders.The Superior Court of the District of Columbia held that:
“…the fundamental principle [is] that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen…The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no special legal duty exists.” In an accompanying memorandum, the Court explained that the term “special relationship” did not mean an oral promise to respond to a call for help. Rather, it involved the provision of help to the police force. [Warren v. District of Columbia, D.C. App., 444 A.2d 1 (1981)].

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In 1959, Linda Riss, a New Yorker, was terrorized by an ex-boyfriend, who had a criminal record. Over several months, he repeatedly threatened her: “If I can’t have you, no one else will have you, and
when I get through with you, no one else will want you.” She repeatedly sought police protection, explaining her request in detail.

Nothing was done to protect her.When he threatened her with immediate attack, she again urgently begged the New York City Police Department for help: “Completely distraught, she called the police, begging for help, but was refused.”
The next day, she was attacked” A “thug” hired by her persecutor threw lye (sodium hydroxide) in her face. She was blinded in one eye and her face was permanently scarred.

The Court of Appeals of New York ruled that Linda Riss has no right to protection. The Court refused to create such a right because that would impose a crushing economic burden on the government. Only the legislature could create a right to protection:
“The amount of protection that may be provided is limited by the resources of the community and by a considered legislative-executive decision as to how these resources may be deployed. For the courts to proclaim a new and general duty of protection …even to those who may be the particular seekers of protection based on specific hazards, could and would inevitably determine how the limited police resources of the community should be allocated and without predictable limits.”Judge Keating dissented, bitterly noting that Linda Riss was victimized not only because she had relied on the police to protect her, but because she obeyed New York laws that forbade her to own a weapon.
Judge Keating wrote:
“What makes the city’s position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus, by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of New York, which now denies all responsibility to her.” [Riss v. City of New York, 293 N.Y. 2d 897 (1968)].

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Even a person whose life is imminently in peril is not entitled to help.

On 4 September 1972 Ruth Bunnell called the San Jose (California) police department to report that her estranged husband, Mack Bunnell, had telephoned her to tell her that he was coming over to her house to kill her.In the previous year, the San Jose police, “had made at least 20 calls and responses to Mrs. Bunnell’s home…allegedly related to complaints of violent acts committed by Mack Bunnell on Mrs. Bunnell and her two
daughters.” Even so, Ruth Bunnell was told to call back only when Mack Bunnell arrived.

Some 45 minutes later, Mack Bunnell arrived and stabbed Ruth Bunnell to death. A neighbor called the police, who then came to the murder scene.

The California Court of Appeals held that any claim against the police department:
“…is barred by the provisions of the California Tort Claims Act, particularly Section 845, which states: `Neither a public entity nor a public employee is liable for failure to establish a police department or otherwise provide police protection or, if police protection service is provided, for failure to provide sufficient police protection.” [Hartzler v. City of San Jose, App., 120 Cal.Rptr 5 (1975)].

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On 20 April 1961, Josephine M. Keane, a teacher in the Chicago City Public Schools was assaulted and killed on school premises by a student enrolled in the school. Keane’s family sued the City of Chicago, claiming that: “…the City was negligent in failing to assign police protection to the school, although it knew or should have known
that failure to provide this protection would result in harm to persons lawfully on the premises (because) it knew or should have known of the dangerous condition then existing at the school.”

The Appeals Court affirmed the judgment of the Circuit Court of Cook County. Presiding Justice Burke of the Appeals Court held that, “Failure on the part of a municipality to exercise a government function does not, without more, expose the municipality to liability.” Justice Burke went on to say that:
“To hold that under the circumstances alleged in the complaint the City owed a `special duty’ to Mrs. Keane for the safety and well-being of her person would impose an all but impossible burden upon the City, considering the numerous police, fire, housing and other laws, ordinances and regulations in force.” [Keane v. City of Chicago, 98 Ill App2d 460 (1968)].

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On 3 June 1985 police tried top arrest a man and his “girl friend”, both of whom were wanted on multiple murder charges, and who were known to be heavily armed.

The alleged murderers – along with the “girl friend’s” two sons, aged nine and ten years, tried to flee in a car. As the police closed in after a running shoot-out, the children were poisoned with cyanide and then shot in the head either by the mother or her “boy friend”, one of whom then blew up the vehicle, killing both. The boy’s father – who had filed for divorce – sued the law enforcement agencies and officers for “wrongful death” of his sons. The North Carolina Court of Appeals held that:
“…the defendant law enforcement agencies and officers did not owe [the children] any legal duty of care, the breach of which caused their injury and death…Our law is that in the absence of a special relationship, such as exists when a victim is in custody or the police have promised to protect a particular person, law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public. In this instance, a special relationship of the type stated did not exist….Plaintiff’s argument that the children’s presence required defendants to delay arrest until the children were elsewhere is incompatible with the duty that the law has long placed on law enforcement personnel to make the safety of the public their first concern; for permitting dangerous criminals to go un-apprehended lest particular individuals be injured or killed would inevitably and necessarily endanger the public at large, a policy that the law cannot tolerate, much less foster.” [Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)].

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Marvin Munday murdered Jack Marshall in Virginia. Mundy – convicted for carrying a concealed pistol – was sent to jail by a judge who expressed concern that Munday, “might kill himself or a member of the public”. Munday was mistakenly released from jail 8 days later. Nine days later he was re-arrested on a unrelated charge. Five hours later, the same jailer and sheriff released him, apparently without checking to see if that was proper. Three weeks later, Mundy robbed and murdered Marshall. Marshall’s widow sued, alleging negligence on the part of the sheriff and jailer, asserting a violation of Jack Marshall’s right to due process.

The Court rejected the claim: “….a distinction must be drawn between a public duty owed by the officials to the citizenry at large and a special duty owned to a specific identifiable person or class of persons…..Only a violation of the latter duty will give rise to civil liability of the official….to hold a public official civilly liable for violating a duty owed to the public large would subject the official to potential liability for every action he undertook and would not be in society’s best interest.”…..no special relationship existed that would create a common law duty on the defendants to protect the decedent (Marshall – ed.) from Mundy’s criminal acts. Similarly, without a special relationship between the defendants and the decedent, no constitutional duty can arise under the Due Process Clause as codified by 42 U.S.C. Sec. 1983. Therefore, Plaintiff’s due process claim also must fall.” [Marshall v. Winston, 389 S.E.2nd 902 (Va. 1990)].

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For similar cases, also see:

Calogrides v. City of Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (S.Ct. Ala. 1985)


Morris v. Musser, 478 A.2d 937 (1984)


Davidson v. City of Westminster, 32 C.3d 197,185 Cal. Rptr. 252,649 P.2d 894 (S.Ct. Cal. 1982)


Chapman v. City of Philadelphia, 434 A.2d 753 (Sup. Ct. Penn. 1981)
 
she is definatly a died in the wool anti. anyone who would sue when a gun saved their life is completely over the top
 
"Instead of attempting to resolve the situation, Barrett took out his gun and shot the suspect while he was holding Mrs. Shane..."

Problem resolved. Props to the LEO. He was obviously well acquainted with his sidearm

That's where I'm at too. The woman and her lawyer deserve a beating:bad:
 

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