What type of ammo did Jared Loughner used at the Tuscon shooting?
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father-of-three
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It's hard to piece things together with the information given. I read in one article that he had two 15 round magazines in his pocket, which assumes to me that he had a glock 19, assuming that he had 9mm ammunition. I think he bought something like 6 boxes of ammunition at the second walmart, which, of course, was looked at in a critical way by the media. For the non-media, 6 boxes is a good number for breaking in a gun, with possibly a few cartridges left over for next time!
I purchased some 9mm remmington jhp at walmart, but they're not as stocked and available as the fmj, at least in the walmarts that I shop in.
I know we can all save money for the things we want, but a buying a glock, a high capacity magazine, and multiple boxes of ammunition, as well as taxis and hotel rooms seems kind of pricey for a guy who doesn't work.
Just a few personal thoughts, based on my own financial limitations.
I apologize in advance if some of my comments on the Tucson situation are inaccurate. I did hear that much of the incident was captured on video camera from local stores. It will be interesting to see what comes of that footage, though I'm sure it will probably be kept under lock and key.
I purchased some 9mm remmington jhp at walmart, but they're not as stocked and available as the fmj, at least in the walmarts that I shop in.
I know we can all save money for the things we want, but a buying a glock, a high capacity magazine, and multiple boxes of ammunition, as well as taxis and hotel rooms seems kind of pricey for a guy who doesn't work.
Just a few personal thoughts, based on my own financial limitations.
I apologize in advance if some of my comments on the Tucson situation are inaccurate. I did hear that much of the incident was captured on video camera from local stores. It will be interesting to see what comes of that footage, though I'm sure it will probably be kept under lock and key.
mappow
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The TYPE that Kills.............
Texas Star
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From the information I have gathered the firearm used was a 9 mm Glock.
Someone else on this forum stated that it was FMJ, because he purchased it at Wal-Mart. But I have purchased jacketed hollow-points at Wal-Mart, so the ammo the dirt-bag shooter used could have been JHP. However my guess is it was FMJ because it is cheaper.
Although I have not purchased ammo at the Wal-Marts in my area lately, they have had a limit of 6 boxes a day.
AZ shooter used Glock 19.
Local TV news says shooter purchased a Glock 19 with extended
mags (holds 30+) and FMJ ammo from Walmart (the first Walmart
refused because he was "acting too weird."
The Safeway is 5 miles from my house, and the wife and I planned to buy groceries there around noon after our late Sat breakfast. Our prayers go out to all victims.
Local TV news says shooter purchased a Glock 19 with extended
mags (holds 30+) and FMJ ammo from Walmart (the first Walmart
refused because he was "acting too weird."
The Safeway is 5 miles from my house, and the wife and I planned to buy groceries there around noon after our late Sat breakfast. Our prayers go out to all victims.
Based on everything I have read it was a Glock 19 which means it was 9mmP. I've seen that reported by several sources. They went so far as to have a scale drawing of it with the extended magazine in the Wall Street Journal (WSJ), Wednesday, lower right corner of page A5. They had a slight error in their description of the striker mechanism in that diagram, but the rest was accurate. There are also pictures of him with it that show it as a Glock 19 (too big to be a 26, too small to be a 17 or 34).
My local WalMart carries WWB in 9mmP at about $23.00/100 rounds. I didn't see any hollow point ammo there but that doesn't mean there wasn't any, just that I didn't see it. The local WalMart keeps their ammo in locked shelves with plastic fronts, but it's at an alkward distance for these old eyes and trifocals.
If he'd been buying premium self defense ammo, COR-BON DPX for example, he have been spending over a buck a round. I don't think paying that much for ammo is consistant with how much of it he had. He apparently had about 90 rounds with him when he started shooting and had left a black bag containing more ammunition at the intersection of two washes in the desert where he ran away from his father earlier that morning.
The investigation/data gathering is apparently going on at a furious pace. I doubt any one person knows all they have learned, maybe not any two people. The story is fleshing out though and shows a very disturbed young man who planned and carried out an attack with the effort spanning several months. I suspect it won't be very long before the story goes quiet until the trial starts.
Fitch
My local WalMart carries WWB in 9mmP at about $23.00/100 rounds. I didn't see any hollow point ammo there but that doesn't mean there wasn't any, just that I didn't see it. The local WalMart keeps their ammo in locked shelves with plastic fronts, but it's at an alkward distance for these old eyes and trifocals.
If he'd been buying premium self defense ammo, COR-BON DPX for example, he have been spending over a buck a round. I don't think paying that much for ammo is consistant with how much of it he had. He apparently had about 90 rounds with him when he started shooting and had left a black bag containing more ammunition at the intersection of two washes in the desert where he ran away from his father earlier that morning.
The investigation/data gathering is apparently going on at a furious pace. I doubt any one person knows all they have learned, maybe not any two people. The story is fleshing out though and shows a very disturbed young man who planned and carried out an attack with the effort spanning several months. I suspect it won't be very long before the story goes quiet until the trial starts.
Fitch
BigSlick
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He was probably doing what the voices inside his head were telling him.
What I hate is the media and politicians never waste an opportunity to turn it around and go after the groups they fear.
Oldgrunt
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It seems like Geraldo hasn't been around much ammo if he calls 9mm massive. If he ever saw a .50 cal sniper rifle bullet he would have to change his drawers. I would guess the lady was hit with ball ammo because she is still alive. I saw a man hit in the head with a hollow point and the whole back of his head was blown out and there was no question about his status. Sort of like a hollowed out pumpkin. Regardless of the type ammo he used, Glock has received quite a bit of publicity from this shooting that they probably would rather have done without! I did see on the news that those 30 rd. "ammothingys" are selling like hotcakes before they get banned again.
Ed Hamberger
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Geraldo is a "Sensationalist" haven't you gathered that yet? He makes a mountain our of a mole hill on everything he reports! As for the ammo used by Tuscon's Village Idiot, Pima Co. Sheriff Clem Dumpnick stated they were FMJ, "or more damage would been done". My question is; If Sheriff Dumpnick is such a hardcore liberal, where was his Security coverage of Rep. Giffords event? :sarcastic:
He was kick out of collage so the price of a Glock and two 30 round magazine would have been close to the cost of that semesters books and supplies needed for the classes being taken.
I would be willing to bet that the money used was left over from the student loan check given to student to pay for the upcoming semester. And being that they kicked him out he was able to spend the money else where.
missoak
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I still don't get it how this guy who was obviously disturbed, was able to purchase a hand gun. Even if it is AZ, he still had to fill out the forms and pass the FBI check. Right? I think somebody dropped the ball at that gun store. Guess will have to wait & see when more info comes in.
JimMullinsWVCDL
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The dealer and FBI (NICS) did what they were supposed to do. The ball was dropped by Sheriff Dupnik (who has turned the space between a TV camera and his mug into the most dangerous place in Arizona), the Tucson police, the Pima Community College campus police, and others who repeatedly missed opportunities to either arrest him for all the threats he was making and/or detain him for a mental health evaluation and potential commitment proceedings.
father-of-three
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From what has been revealed, it looks like he had a clean record, as scary as that sounds. He probably should have been "caught," but never was.
In my line of work, I evaluate folks like this (and many other types) for psychiatric care, sometimes resulting in commitment. Every state has its own laws regarding this, but the bottom line of the laws are usually pretty similar. I do find at times that law enforcement will send individuals to the hospital for evaluation, which may end up taking the place of charges being filed, supposedly because they want to person to "get help." I also deal with family members on a regular basis who will never consider filing charges because doing so reportedly won't "help" their loved one. This is a hard choice to make, but this situation shows too well how bad an outcome can be.
No system is perfect in that some people will end up "flying under the radar," for fault of the "system," or their family, or even law enforcement. Yes, hindsight here shows that a number of people and entities could have stepped in and done something that may have changed the final outcome. However, I believe this type of "profiling" has caused more trouble for innocent bystanders trying to help over the past few years, as people who reportedly look like terrorists have sued these helpful and proactive individuals for things like slander.
The right thing to do is the hard thing, and it's right on the edge of a very slippery slope.
Remember that HIPAA laws prevent the release of medical information about anyone. If he was treated, it would not be on any record anywhere that the NICS system would access, so he would not have been rejected for the purchase of the Glock.
The question on the 4473 form asks if you have ever been adjudicated mentally defective (that would be by a court, board, commission etc) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution. He could answer no to that question, even if he had received treatment.
As far as I can see, the dealer who sold him the gun seems to have handled it OK.
The question on the 4473 form asks if you have ever been adjudicated mentally defective (that would be by a court, board, commission etc) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution. He could answer no to that question, even if he had received treatment.
As far as I can see, the dealer who sold him the gun seems to have handled it OK.
S&W645
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The shooter did commit a felony when he did fill out the paperwork. But not the dealer. Had to have lied on question 11(e) of Link Removed. e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? As question 12 e on OMB NO. 1512-0129 / ATF F 4473 (5300.9) PART I (10-2001) also. And on the form he signed would have been this:
jlperryusa
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Interesting Data
My Walmart here in Tennessee also just sells ball ammo for 9mm. I know different stores carry different stock.
Some interesting numbers to make you think:
Pima County Arizona population 1,012,018 (2008 census data)
26,384 active carry permits (1-30-11)
347 Instructors
149 organizations
(this data from azdps.gov/services/Concealed_Weapons/statistics)
That means 1 in 38 people have active carry permits in that county. Why didn't they act? Makes you wonder...
My Walmart here in Tennessee also just sells ball ammo for 9mm. I know different stores carry different stock.
Some interesting numbers to make you think:
Pima County Arizona population 1,012,018 (2008 census data)
26,384 active carry permits (1-30-11)
347 Instructors
149 organizations
(this data from azdps.gov/services/Concealed_Weapons/statistics)
That means 1 in 38 people have active carry permits in that county. Why didn't they act? Makes you wonder...
