OK. So your point is that you think people can't be good without your god, but Christians can't be good even with your god. Man, you sure make them sound like some crappy people.
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OK. So your point is that you think people can't be good without your god, but Christians can't be good even with your god. Man, you sure make them sound like some crappy people.
Then you don't know what the word "atheist" means.
Anyone who is not a theist is an atheist. Whether or not they know, or even can know, whether a god exists has nothing to do with that fact.
You are AGAIN wrong. Imagine a person who has never been introduced to the existence of chickens or their eggs. This person grew up in some kind of strange isolation, with no knowledge of these things. Do you really believe that you can't prove to this person that eggs exist? If you take this person into a room, and place an egg in their hand, they will not believe that the thing in their hand actually exists?
Don't be silly.
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Interesting....read this from the Communist goals in the Congressional record 1963.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
I'm being quite sincere. I try for succinct posts. Sometimes I make leaps where perhaps a step would have been better. But this post isn't really about chickens or eggs so never mind.
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Everyone will demand proof to make their point until they get so far back in time and history that they can no longer prove it.
That is the point their belief or open mind or free thinking or intelligence depends on faith...
Some by faith believe the chicken or egg evolved from something and that something evolved from something.
Others by faith believe the chicken and egg are created by God.
The sorry thing about all this is the "Rules for Radicals" approach... it is pure evil.
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
We will just have to disagree.
Atheist- a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Agnostic- a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
The difference is belief.
One says "I know" there is no God, the other says "I don't know" or perhaps a bit more accurately "We can't know because it isn't scientifically provable either way".
I agree people are crappy, ALL people. Let me ask this, How do we know they are crappy?
Right, it's about belief in X without knowing the origin of X. The egg and chicken analogy shows us that one can believe X without knowing the origin of X.
An atheist is anyone who is not a theist. The word "atheist" literally means "not theist." Anyone who is not a theist is, by definition, an atheist. You can disagree with reality all you wish, but that doesn't change the facts.
Atheism is not a belief. It is the lack of a belief. Some atheists have certain beliefs, but that is not what makes them atheist.
Well, I don't believe all people are crappy.
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We can see and feel X (in this case an egg) but we cannot see or physically feel god.
yes, and?
atheist (n.)
1570s, from French athéiste (16c.), from Greek atheos "without god, denying the gods; abandoned of the gods; godless, ungodly," from a- "without" + theos "a god"
I will disagree, but not with reality or facts.
Literally the definition means without a god. Or put another way No God.
Example- Asymmetric
Literally not symmetric but - having no symmetry is also the same.
So you know perfect people? I don't.
My point has always been we are human and are not Good. We are capable of Good just as we are capable of Bad. Not that we are always one or the other. How do we know Good from Bad?
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1. not; without; opposite to"
atheist=not theist
Anyone who is not a theist is an atheist. Whether or not their a/gnostic is a separate issue.
The determination of whether or not one is theist or atheist is arrived at by looking at their answer to the question: do you believe there is a god?
-If they believe there is a god, they are theist.
-If they do not believe there is a god, they are atheist.
The determination of whether or not one is gnostic or agnostic is arrived at by looking at their answer to the question: do you believe it is possible to know for sure whether or not a god exists?
-If they believe it is possible, they are gnostic.
-If they don't believe it's possible, they are agnostic.
A/theism and a/gnosticism are answers to two very different questions. I, as an example, am both atheist and agnostic. The fact that I am agnostic does not prevent me, in any way, from being atheist.
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No. Why do you ask?
"Perfect" and "crappy" are not the only categories into which people can fall.
Good for you. My point is simply that such a claim does not always hold true.
Who is "we"? I was taught the difference between good and bad by my parents. As I matured and was able to gain a greater understanding of the world around me, and began to understand how the actions of one can impact the lives of others, I was better able to make my own determinations of good and bad.
semantics
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The study of discussing the meaning/interpretation of words or groups of words within a certain context; usually in order to win some form of argument.
Now come on, let's not get bogged down in semantics.
Urban Dictionary: semantics
I find that link relevant just now.
Agnostic Theist? Isn't that an oxymoron? How does one believe in something yet not be sure it exists?
The main purpose for internet forums.
The study of discussing the meaning/interpretation of words or groups of words within a certain context; usually in order to win some form of argument.
Now come on, let's not get bogged down in semantics.
Urban Dictionary: semantics
I find that link relevant just now.
Agnostic Theist? Isn't that an oxymoron? How does one believe in something yet not be sure it exists?
Good, I'm happy you were able to make a determination on your own. By what measure was your determination made?
My determinations are made by examining the consequences (or possible consequences) of a particular action and determining whether or not one of those consequences is harm to another or to myself.
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