So far as I can tell, 27 states allow you to carry without a permit. Several other states allow you to openly carry with a permit, so that is the majority of states. It seems that OC is not illegal in most places.Since OC is illegal most places, that might have a lot to do with your observation (which of course is nothing but anecdotal)
So far as I can tell, 27 states allow you to carry without a permit. Several other states allow you to openly carry with a permit, so that is the majority of states. It seems that OC is not illegal in most places.
What was the purpose of your post other than an attempt at another personal attack on what I have to say or an attempt to get a reaction from me? You've done this to me and to others in the past. This leads me to believe that you're more "anti" than "pro" 2a.
.I don't understand why you can't simply agree that we need to educate members of the public, rather than attack someone on an issue for no apparent reason
Short sleeved white dress shirt, business style neck tie, tie clip, black leather belt, black dress pants, black socks, black leather shoes with a high shine, Fossil watch, Glock 22 in Black Galco FLETCH strong side holster, where does that scream COP? Add a bicycle, helmet, and backpack, I'd be mistaken for a Morman missionary.
Which is a good thing, IMHO.
The advantage is when concealed carry becomes popular (I forget the numbers but I'm thinking at about 5%) confrontational crime drops because criminals don't know who might be armed. So everyone, not just those who are carrying is safer. With open carry, criminals might avoid those they can see carrying but then they likely would turn to those who are not openly carrying. Then too with open carry criminals can carry openly with no one thinking ill about it.
I guess the only solution is legal open and concealed carry and a push to get as many people as possible to just carry.
Do you have an alarm system? If so, are you like thousands of other people who place a stop sign shaped sign in the bushes by the front door or a sticker in the window closest to the lock that reads,"ADT", "Pinkerton" or some other brand of alarm? This is how I feel about open carry. It is a stop sign. I think the average criminal is going to say to himself, "Self, this guy just might shoot me right in the face if I try to victimize him, but look over there. There is someone without a gun, so Self, you go rob them instead." This is called crime displacement. It does not deter crime, it only displaces it to the person who did not prepare.
Wallet, watch, keys & gun. The four things I never leave home without.
Troy Perry
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I see your point, but I think the real deterrent is the criminal saying: "I'm in a state that is mandated to issue concealed carry permits to law abiding citizens...........I wonder which people are armed and which ones are not?"Do you have an alarm system? If so, are you like thousands of other people who place a stop sign shaped sign in the bushes by the front door or a sticker in the window closest to the lock that reads,"ADT", "Pinkerton" or some other brand of alarm? This is how I feel about open carry. It is a stop sign. I think the average criminal is going to say to himself, "Self, this guy just might shoot me right in the face if I try to victimize him, but look over there. There is someone without a gun, so Self, you go rob them instead." This is called crime displacement. It does not deter crime, it only displaces it to the person who did not prepare.
Wallet, watch, keys & gun. The four things I never leave home without.
Troy Perry
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Do you have an alarm system? If so, are you like thousands of other people who place a stop sign shaped sign in the bushes by the front door or a sticker in the window closest to the lock that reads,"ADT", "Pinkerton" or some other brand of alarm? This is how I feel about open carry. It is a stop sign. I think the average criminal is going to say to himself, "Self, this guy just might shoot me right in the face if I try to victimize him, but look over there. There is someone without a gun, so Self, you go rob them instead." This is called crime displacement. It does not deter crime, it only displaces it to the person who did not prepare.
Wallet, watch, keys & gun. The four things I never leave home without.
Troy Perry
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Only those who conceal carry are safer than those who don't.
maybejim says that he"guesses that the only solution is legal open and conceal carry and a push to get as many people as possible to just carry". To me, that is the only solution, without question, no guessing. Open carry is definitely a stop sign. Only a complete moron with an IQ of room temperature would not think more than twice about victimizing someone openly carrying a gun. People aren't safer because conceal carry is legal, only the people carrying concealed are safer. Conceal carry is legal where I live, (open carry is legal too) however, the vast majority is totally ignorant of their gun rights. They don't have a clue, and therefore confrontations are not fewer. Also, the majority, of that ignorant majority, would not own a gun, let alone carry even if they could.
Only those who conceal carry are safer than those who don't. Those who open carry are safer than those who conceal carry. All of those in the presence of the open carrier are safer. The BG's are well aware of the law and the statistics proving the ignorance of the public, to include the majority's fear of guns and attitude toward guns, which brings me back to the STOP SIGN.
In reading through this thread one thing occurred to me. If you are OC then the BG will stay away from you and go on to someone else. Therefore you are protecting yourself. However if the BG doesn't know if you are CC or not and suspects that many others are then he may not commit the crime at all. Therefore OC protects you but CC protects everyone.leasantry:
Just a thought. I wish SC would do like TN and allow either OC or CC with a permit. However I am not a big proponent of allowing a 14 year old walk down main street with handgun on his side as long as it is OC like I understand one state allows.
. However if the BG doesn't know if you are CC or not and suspects that many others are then he may not commit the crime at all. Therefore OC protects you but CC protects everyone.leasantry:
Yea, the BG's won't victimize anyone because they don't know if you're carrying concealed or not, and, suspects that many others are, so therefor everyone's protected. Aah, okay. I guess that's why there's so little crime today, you just never know who's carrying.
. However if the BG doesn't know if you are CC or not and suspects that many others are then he may not commit the crime at all. Therefore OC protects you but CC protects everyone.leasantry:
Yea, the BG's won't victimize anyone because they don't know if you're carrying concealed or not, and, suspects that many others are, so therefor everyone's protected. Aah, okay. I guess that's why there's so little crime today, you just never know who's carrying.
It certainly explains the statistics. But maybe you have a better explanation? I would suggest that everyone interested in pushing the country to following the 2nd Amendment read both books by John Lott. There's a lot of good facts there.
OC gives you an additional pick-up line too: "What's your caliber?"
It certainly explains the statistics. But maybe you have a better explanation? I would suggest that everyone interested in pushing the country to following the 2nd Amendment read both books by John Lott. There's a lot of good facts there.
What statistics are you referring to? A better explanation for what? Facts concerning what in particular?
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