Someone who doesn't know where her firearm is located is irresponsible. That means she didn't know whether she had access to it if needed it for self protection, so she had no sane reason to be carrying in the first place. If someone tried to steal her purse and her child, she would have been surprised to learn that the weapon she thought was on her body was actually now in the hands of the person stealing her purse and her child.
Someone who doesn't know where her firearm is located is irresponsible. That means she didn't know whether she had access to it if needed it for self protection, so she had no sane reason to be carrying in the first place. If someone tried to steal her purse and her child, she would have been surprised to learn that the weapon she thought was on her body was actually now in the hands of the person stealing her purse and her child.
Nick Burkhardt
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She did not carry off body before Christmas, new purse, maybe she thought the compartment was toddler proof. Most likely she turned to "deal with" her three nieces, and not being used to off body carry, it did not register that her gun was not at her side like it usually is.
Have any of you ever thought you had you gun with you but didn't? This lady got her carry purse for Christmas a couple of days earlier. She may have forgotten, momentarily, she was not carrying on her person, but in her purse. She left her purse in the cart. It cost her, her life. Her husband has to be beside himself for purchasing the purse. Her son will have to live with the fact that he killed his mother for therest of his life!
This was a sad human error, which can be lethal when weapons are involved.
My prayers are with her family in this sad time.
This was a sad human error, which can be lethal when weapons are involved.
My prayers are with her family in this sad time.
the dark
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Sorry and sad for her, her son, and family. But none of that or her lack of care reflects on me and mine and our level of security with our firearms. Not to speak ill of the dead, but dumb people die from doing *********** all the time with items that others can handle competently and safely. Sad but Darwin in had a point.
Nick Burkhardt
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Rutledge had a 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield semi-automatic, the sheriff’s office said this afternoon in a news release.
Not me. And the day that happens is the day I stop carrying concealed. Once is once too many times. A responsible person recognizes their limitations and doesn't put others in danger because of their ego.
Had she caught he mistake in time to stop the tragedy then it would have been irresponsible for her to keep carrying concealed after that point.
Her death was a tragic loss, not only to her family but also to her community. She probably had lots to contribute. But of all the people who could have died because of her error, she was the right one. That may be harsh but it is true.
CharlesMorrison
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N R A
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Is douche what pot smokers call sober people? I dont keep up on the drug lingo.
Peggy Reist
New member
Is a 9mm considered a "small caliber"? That was what it said in the initial articles. And does that particular pistol have that light a trigger?
Peggy Reist
New member
That is how my daughter carries, when she carries at all. But she has one of the most stupid, conceited reasons of all for doing so. She is very slim and very proud of her figure and she wants to show it off. So her shirts are tight-fitting and no way she could hide a gun, no matter how small. I just hope she's not sorry someday. The town she lives in is getting more dangerous all the time. Fortunately her husband is getting a little more concerned for their safety and I'm hoping he'll be getting a CCL pretty soon.
Sounds like great reasons to open carry to me! That would be much safer for her.
BC1
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And just maybe... she was negligent. With guns there are no "do overs."
BC1
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Ahhh, no. I always know exactly where it is. Never leaves my attention.
N R A
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Is open carry safer than walking away from a loaded gun in Walmart? You think? What might tighten the reins on the horse even a little more?
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Yes open carry is safer. Safer than a concealed gun and definitely safer than walking away leaving any unattended gun behind.
Open carry is the direct public opposition to all the gun control going on from people like the N R A, you guys have tightened the reigns enough for everyone.
Same.
I wouldn't consider 380 a small caliber...definitely not 9mm.
The shield has a very narrow grip, I could see a 2 year old being able to get a good hand on it and firing it.
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ezkl2230
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"Small caliber" is something of a matter of personal opinion. Seems small to my way of thinking (115 gr). Per S&W, the trigger pull of the Shield is +/- 6.5 lbs, Product: Smith & Wesson M&P SHIELD? 9mm.
And I will stick with CC. Been through this several times, my reasons are my own, but my XDS .45 is perfectly safe in the pocket in which I carry it, and I can get to it and deploy it quickly.
Peggy Reist
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I would still think that would have to be one strong 2 year old to be able to pull that trigger. That's what my Kahr's trigger pull is and it's easy for me, but I'm fairly strong.
I've held that particular pistol, but I've never shot one. I could see the toddler being able to hold it, but it still boggles my mind that he could shoot it.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
My 10 month old has the strength in his hands to squeeze and pull my fingers apart hard enough I think he would be able actuated a trigger. I don't think many two year olds could do it one handed, I would assume he used both hands.
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BC1
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Yes. It's still retained in your holster. For anyone who raised kids I can't imagine leaving anything within reach of a two-year-old. Especially a pocketbook in a shopping cart. I feel terrible for the father and kids.
JCliff
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A tragic case that unfortunately boils down to simple gross negligence. In a moment of carelessness, she abandoned her firearm in the presence of a child who (obviously) had access to it. The practice of firearm safety needs to be approached with something very much like religious zeal, needs to be methodical and very, very deliberate. I have never been a fan of off-body carry of a firearm simply because of the myriad opportunities for loss of control. I understand why some women may prefer purse carry. After teaching the requirements such a purse should have, and training with it, I always end with the stated question: “You understand of course that once you put your firearm in that purse you can NEVER put that purse down?” If there are any uncomprehending looks we go into a serious discussion of firearm retention and safety. You NEVER put it in a shopping cart. You should NEVER set it down on the bench next to you in the park or restaurant, etc., etc. Special vigilance and care is required when entering/exiting a vehicle. Most women are in the habit of setting down their purses virtually anywhere. There is a huge difference between “in sight” and “in control of.” A lifetime frame of mind with respect to a purse needs to be absolutely and completely abandoned, which is difficult to do. Most women I’ve had training contact with in this regard, when they think it all the way through, opt not to carry in a purse, and I think they’re better off for it.
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No. I have never gone out of the house forgetting I had a firearm on my person, or that I had one in the car, etc. Ever. I never went out without a firearm thinking I had one either. I am fully aware of the position and status of all my firearms, all the time. That’s really not so hard, and it applies especially to a firearm you are carrying about in public. Cavalier or lackadaisical attitudes with respect to firearms is negligence, and is a tragedy waiting to happen. A disciplined mindset and practiced, deliberate, purposeful actions are what’s required with firearms.
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No. I have never gone out of the house forgetting I had a firearm on my person, or that I had one in the car, etc. Ever. I never went out without a firearm thinking I had one either. I am fully aware of the position and status of all my firearms, all the time. That’s really not so hard, and it applies especially to a firearm you are carrying about in public. Cavalier or lackadaisical attitudes with respect to firearms is negligence, and is a tragedy waiting to happen. A disciplined mindset and practiced, deliberate, purposeful actions are what’s required with firearms.
