Blues you become more trollish every day. First you make an assumption there was going to be violence.
There already had been violence before most of the militia showed up. They knocked Cliven's 60-something sister to the dirt, tased one of his sons and sent an attack dog after him, and assaulted a pregnant woman. I didn't have to "assume" anything. They proved what they were/are capable of, and it was all on video, which is a large part of what inspired much of the subsequent journey by militia members from all over the country.
After they showed up, it was scouts from their ranks that took pictures of no less than four sniper nests focusing on the Bundy Ranch, not on the BLM land that they had/have some conceivable jurisdiction over. Have you really not heard of any of these abuses of authority?
Then you argue what Mike wrote
No I didn't, I
linked to what Mike wrote -- the whole thing, not just one paragraph that was picked apart by a third party who wasn't there.
......Have you ever met him?
Yes. Many times. Spent the day and had lunch with him a month or so ago. Submitted a couple of stories that he's used on the blog since that day. So what? I don't need to know him in order to know where Herschel Smith was excerpting from, nor to know how important the topic was to Mike, which like I said, was a topic that he mentioned near the end of his 3,975 word AAR "as an aside."
So?
I have the utmost respect for him.
As you should.
I happen to have spoke at the 26th Annual, GRPC. As did he. So we had a chance to speak.
Again, so? Talk about going off-topic. You're just name-dropping now.
Then you agree that Muzzle Discipline is a very serious issue. Which is what this thread was about, not your love affair with the Bundy situation.
So now you're complaining about me agreeing with Mr. Smith on that one narrow topic? Jeesh, a guy can't win for losing with you.
People with safety violation put other people at risk. And that makes them YAHOO"S...
Actually, if you ask Mike instead of just dropping his name like some kind of star-struck teenie-bopper, you'd understand that that's not what it makes them at all. It makes them undisciplined, in need of
qualified leadership, in need of training, in need of cross-state coordination, in need of platooning and delegation of specific units to specific responsibilities etc. etc. etc. The "yahoos" are those like you who mock them for making an effort to resolve a situation that you have been on the wrong side of since the beginning, and you do it from behind a keyboard. Yeah, there were a
lot of mistakes made, probably still being made, but one of those mistakes wasn't showing up while you b!tched and moaned from the comfort of your own home or office or in the coffee shop or wherever. You link to one website, imply that it came from Mike's website, ignore the overwhelming majority of what Mike
did write in favor of taking a jab from the peanut gallery at those who at least got off their asses and
tried to help. If you don't like being called a "yahoo," then don't take jabs at the Patriots who tried, and succeeded, in pushing the violence-prone BLM back so that cooler heads could prevail, for the time being at least.
And in this case could have created a massacre if they negligently fired a gun.
As could any one of the snipers who had their rifles trained on the Bundy family, only it's quite likely that it wouldn't have been a negligent discharge, but an intentional one.
And if you can justify it, that would put you in their camp.
I only justify their presence, and otherwise agree with both Mike and Herschel that they should train vigorously from now on. I don't, however, mock them for showing up. I mock
you for being critical of their showing up.
Seems that you are the one needing a doctor.
You have no idea....
Hi post counts and like counts don't change some things. This post was about someone highly respected in the community noticing and bringing up poor gun safety protocol.
No it wasn't. It was about taking a shot at militia members who showed up to stand between the government that you support and the family that was being threatened by snipers, copters, having their cattle shot, buried in mass graves, stolen and attempted to sell
illegally at a Utah auction that the UT Governor put a stop to before they crossed the state line, which in and of itself would've been a felony without proper bills of sale and branding certifications under the
cattle rustling statutes!
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]
There was
nothing off-topic in what I said previously.
You mentioned Mike Vanderboegh as though he was the author of the piece you linked to. I corrected that implication. I responded to the piece you
did link to, even agreeing with it as far as it goes, but since you seemed to think that Mike was the main person doing the writing, I spent most of my time correcting the misperceptions you mentioning his name might invoke in those reading the piece.
Oh, and BTW, will you answer the question I first posed,
"One might wonder who the "you" is that "put" those undisciplined and untrained men in a militia? Do you know, Bob?" I'll guarantee you that Mike Vanderboegh, Stewart Rhodes, Jerry DeLemus, Cliven and/or Ryan Bundy and probably every one of the men and women who showed up could answer that question without having to give it much thought. Again, you said "...when you
put a bunch of yahoos in a militia," so this is not off-topic either. Who is the "you" that "put" those folks there?
OK, your turn to b!tch and moan some more because your name-dropping didn't earn you any slack for your name-calling of principled, though in need of vigorous training, militia members who showed up while you enjoyed your freakin' air conditioning.
Blues
