The trial of George Zimmerman

[r1derbike]

The administration / DOJ aren't done yet. Although the president said some things about accepting the verdict, the DOJ as been looking into Zimmerman for months to see what they can charge him with. That has been their fallback position, and they will announce their intent when they are ready. They have no intention of letting Zimmerman go free. The best thing Zimmerman can do to avoid it is move to a country with no extradition treaty.

That is really disheartening. I read his "stay calm, and protest in peace" bit, but it's below the surface that the true colors of the CIC reside. Bad news, indeed.

 

[Kramer1113]

The People who are tonight gathering in NY Time square and all over the country in support of Trayvon Martin did not take the time to educate themselves to the facts and details of the case.
They used the same tactic when Voting for President.
When a Thug breaks into their home and takes their belongings, or gets into a fight with their child, lets see how fast they get out there and support that.

What are they in support of?

 

[BC1]

How 'bout them apples! My hat is off to the ladies of the jury who refused the prosecution's exhortation to "think with their hearts" and instead rendered the only verdict I believed was possible given the evidence presented at trial. I feared that there would be an inclination to "compromise," throw the prosecution a bone and give 'em manslaughter, but they didn't. Not all is wrong in the world. I think the Obama administration"s Justice Department will sit on this for awhile, before they rush in to get more egg on their face. I'm not ruling out a federal civil rights case obviously, but the Obama administration is a totally political animal from all aspects. If they think it will make them look bad, they won't do it no matter what. If they think it still fits the progressive narrative and will make them shine...well then no facts will stop them. As for the NAACP, the very title of their organization is racist.
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I also think this case serves as an example of what can happen to your life if you kill someone, even in a "righteous" shooting. If you were to take all the media hype out of this case, Z's life still gets turned upside down. Though the Sanford PD and local prosecutor clearly made the correct decision not to bring charges, there are plenty of places around the country that a similar event would almost certainly have resulted in a trial, media hype or no.

Especially the non-white juror who refused to allow race to sway her vote.
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NAACP: Nitwits and Activists for the Annihilation of Caucasian People

 

[BC1]

But, but,,,Blacks can't be racists? Right? That's what I keep hearing, from Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, of course.

But, I'm a "cracker" so what do I know.

So they'd like us to believe. My high school was 38% black. The city it's in was ranked ninth on the FBI most dangerous cities last year. I've seen racism from both sides. It can be just as bad in the other direction. I sometimes make comments that seem on the edge. But I don't care because I've been around it all my life. Plus I feel truth is a defense to popularity or political correctness. And no one wants to tell the truth about what's happening out there. We wouldn't want to say something unpopular even if it's true. Well, horse balls on that. I'm saying it. Dress and act like a gangsta and you have my attention. I'll regard you as a gangsta. And they say it's the media? When I'm at the ATM it ain't Tom Brokow I'm looking over my shoulder for. It's punks with their pants around their ass, white OR black. I don't see the white dirt-bag complaining.
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My bank has signs saying no hoodies, hats or sunglasses but says nothing about guns. What does that tell us they're thinking?

 

[jcreek]

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My bank has signs saying no hoodies, hats or sunglasses but says nothing about guns. What does that tell us they're thinking?

That they want to be able to identify you on surveillance footage? I understand and agree with your point, but I don't think that sign means what you think it does.

 

[gejoslin]

So they'd like us to believe. My high school was 38% black. The city it's in was ranked ninth on the FBI most dangerous cities last year. I've seen racism from both sides. It can be just as bad in the other direction. I sometimes make comments that seem on the edge. But I don't care because I've been around it all my life. Plus I feel truth is a defense to popularity or political correctness. And no one wants to tell the truth about what's happening out there. We wouldn't want to say something unpopular even if it's true. Well, horse balls on that. I'm saying it. Dress and act like a gangsta and you have my attention. I'll regard you as a gangsta. And they say it's the media? When I'm at the ATM it ain't Tom Brokow I'm looking over my shoulder for. It's punks with their pants around their ass, white OR black. I don't see the white dirt-bag complaining.
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My bank has signs saying no hoodies, hats or sunglasses but says nothing about guns. What does that tell us they're thinking?

I completely agree! That crap they want to spoon feed us is the most asinine BS. The lib's may go for it but I don't. The part of Arkansas I live in is 51% black, most of the older black men are a real pleasure to be around. The younger Black men and teenagers you must keep an eye on. The older black guys will tell you the same! The younger white dirtbags are about the same with the drugs and just plain old thievery keeps me on my toes. My wife , Cathy, just got her 9mm Shield and I've teaching her the basics of gun handling and maintenance. We can't be together all the time. The PC crap may work for the gubermint type's, but when they get robbed or mugged that will change for that individual. The ones with security don't have to worry about it. Their bodyguards do thou!

 

[BC1]

That they want to be able to identify you on surveillance footage? I understand and agree with your point, but I don't think that sign means what you think it does.

Exactly the point. The sign is based in the fact that those things are commonly worn by perps to avoid identification. They also threaten to have guns. But the bank doesn't have a sign prohibiting your gun. So if you walk in a bank wearing a hoodie you'll get attention because it's a profile. Everyone's radar goes up. In busy areas the hoodie gets less attention. More people. But in dark areas prone to burglary/robbery/home invasion it definitely gets a look, regardless of whether he's black or white. Unfortunate because hoodies are warm. I wear a hoodie to the range when it's chilly. I'm probably gettin' profiled.

 

[jcreek]

Exactly the point. The sign is based in the fact that those things are commonly worn by perps to avoid identification. They also threaten to have guns. But the bank doesn't have a sign prohibiting your gun. So if you walk in a bank wearing a hoodie you'll get attention because it's a profile. Everyone's radar goes up. In busy areas the hoodie gets less attention. More people. But in dark areas prone to burglary/robbery/home invasion it definitely gets a look, regardless of whether he's black or white. Unfortunate because hoodies are warm. I wear a hoodie to the range when it's chilly. I'm probably gettin' profiled.

Gotcha, sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were associating hoodies and hats solely with the "gangsta" type. I wear hoodies on a regular basis. Although I also tend to wear a belt, something that community seems to not see the wisdom in.

 

[gunnerbob]

The People who are tonight gathering in NY Time square and all over the country in support of Trayvon Martin did not take the time to educate themselves to the facts and details of the case.
They used the same tactic when Voting for President.
When a Thug breaks into their home and takes their belongings, or gets into a fight with their child, lets see how fast they get out there and support that.

What are they in support of?

The complete destruction of everything that stands in their way of getting everything for nothing. The Socio-Facist Utopia that provides the riches of the world at no cost. They're too stupid to understand facts and history, there is no such thing as a Socio-Facist Utopia... it's the same oppression they think they're fighting against. They're willfully ignorant, which is the most offensive and most dangerous way to be. These people won't hesitate to do you harm when the hoards spread. Our country is not the same, it's changed for the absolute worst and you are in the way... we all are. Be vigilant at all times, never drop your guard.

 

[whodat2710]

The administration / DOJ aren't done yet. Although the president said some things about accepting the verdict...

Yeah, listen to the whole speech and pay close attention to this part:

"...I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this..."

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Even thought GZ was found not guilty, and that it was determined that he legally used his gun in self defense against an attacker, it was "gun violence"
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Translation - This is why we have to take the guns away from law abiding citizens...

 

[whodat2710]

I see his most glaring mistake as having little to do with opening his car door and getting out. His mistake started just seconds after seeing a kid walking in the rain with his hood up over his head, and immediately, with no more information than just that, calling the cops.

The logical presumption is that Martin wasn't doing anything that Zimmerman should've immediately considered threatening, and his first instinct should've been to offer his help to get the kid out of the rain. His subsequent actions weren't nearly as egregious a series of mistakes as his immediate instinct to be hyper-suspicious of a kid just trying to stay fairly dry with a hood on...

Blues, you have hit the nail on the head. Not just in this instance, but what in general is wrong with our society. Unfortunately, the fact that our manners and morals have been circling the bowl for quite a while makes it where you sometimes don't feel safe doing that. In this particular instance, the fact that GZ was armed should have let him feel a little safer asking if a lone teenager needed help. Would I want my wife doing the same? No. But, that is probably the first thought that would cross her mind.

 

[r1derbike]

I completely agree! That crap they want to spoon feed us is the most asinine BS. The lib's may go for it but I don't. The part of Arkansas I live in is 51% black, most of the older black men are a real pleasure to be around. The younger Black men and teenagers you must keep an eye on. The older black guys will tell you the same! The younger white dirtbags are about the same with the drugs and just plain old thievery keeps me on my toes. My wife , Cathy, just got her 9mm Shield and I've teaching her the basics of gun handling and maintenance. We can't be together all the time. The PC crap may work for the gubermint type's, but when they get robbed or mugged that will change for that individual. The ones with security don't have to worry about it. Their bodyguards do thou!

I've lived around blacks all my life. When I moved to northwest Arkansas, the area is filled with educated blacks, browns, yellows, whites, and other races too numerous to mention, although blacks are a very small part of the picture. This area is not the typical slice of this state's racial makeup. We are our own culturally diverse population center.

Having said that, we don't see racial bias, bigotry and public debauchery on any scale I would call a public menace. We still have the typical gang and degenerate subculture elements, but law enforcement here keeps that problem pretty much under wraps.

What disgusts is the ignorance, stupidity and divisive actions taken by all parties in front of MSM outlets I've seen nationwide. I was shocked to see (with the MSM's glee) that idiots outnumber smarter citizens. I realize MSM seeks-out those idiots, for sensationalism and divisiveness (after all the MSM are idiots as well).

I'm thankful to live where I do, and astonished that metro areas across the U.S. have turned into war zones. I pray those stuck in those cesspools may leave before Rome burns across the nation.

 

[S&W645]

Want to see how looney Bloomberg Businessweek reporters are? George Zimmerman's Acquittal: Four Blunt Observations - Businessweek Too easy to shoot down this article. He starts off with a title sentence in some of his 4 points and then says the opposite in the body of the paragraph. Typical liberal anti-rights person.

 

[ezkl2230]

Yeah, listen to the whole speech and pay close attention to this part:
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Even thought GZ was found not guilty, and that it was determined that he legally used his gun in self defense against an attacker, it was "gun violence"
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Translation - This is why we have to take the guns away from law abiding citizens...

Don't forget, Obama/Bloomberg are cut from the same fabric when it comes to firearms. Bloomberg's MAIG recently included the name of one of the Boston bombers as a victim of gun violence - and he was shot by police as he tried to kill and elude them. Britain is the pattern they are following - unarmed cops and socialized medicine. Neither work, of course; they have a bankrupt country that has been designated as the most violent in Europe for the last five years running.

 

[Bikenut]

Don't forget, Obama/Bloomberg are cut from the same fabric when it comes to firearms. Bloomberg's MAIG included the name of one of the Boston bomber as a victim of gun violence - and he was shot by police as he tried to kill and elude them. Britain is the pattern they are following - unarmed cops and socialized medicine. Neither work, of course; they have a bankrupt country that has been designated as the most violent in Europe for the last five years running.

Actually a bankrupt country most certainly does work.... for those at the top who are in power. Everyone else is ... screwed.

 

[whodat2710]

A few great post trial observations:
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And lastly, a security cam of TM showing he wasn't the "little kid" in the MSM photo
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[gejoslin]

I've lived around blacks all my life. When I moved to northwest Arkansas, the area is filled with educated blacks, browns, yellows, whites, and other races too numerous to mention, although blacks are a very small part of the picture. This area is not the typical slice of this state's racial makeup. We are our own culturally diverse population center.

Having said that, we don't see racial bias, bigotry and public debauchery on any scale I would call a public menace. We still have the typical gang and degenerate subculture elements, but law enforcement here keeps that problem pretty much under wraps.

What disgusts is the ignorance, stupidity and divisive actions taken by all parties in front of MSM outlets I've seen nationwide. I was shocked to see (with the MSM's glee) that idiots outnumber smarter citizens. I realize MSM seeks-out those idiots, for sensationalism and divisiveness (after all the MSM are idiots as well).

I'm thankful to live where I do, and astonished that metro areas across the U.S. have turned into war zones. I pray those stuck in those cesspools may leave before Rome burns across the nation.

Off Topic
We plan to move up to that part of AR. We really like the Eureka Springs area.
Off Topic over
You may resume control....

 

[dgifted]

Points, in order:
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No one knows why he walked about that area. No one will ever know. I find it hard to believe he didn't know the name of the street in a gated community with five streets, where he lives and runs the watch program. I already stated it's not illegal to follow someone in or about a public or private place unless the intent is to cause alarm, annoyance or threat. Following, shadowing, observing... a turd by any other name still smells bad. While not illegal, also not prudent behavior. Let LE find him. If these "punks" always get away that's not your problem, it's LE's.

Zimmerman had stated he was trying to find the house number where he last saw Martin to tell police where to come as he had parked in behind buildings, not in front on the street where he might have better known the location.
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He wasn't carrying a gun specifically for his watch program. But he was carrying a gun during this particular watch-related incident, thus the lawsuit against the HOA was settled.

He was not doing a neighborhood watch that night but was headed to the store when he saw the suspicious person that appeared to be wandering around and looking all around. At that time, he tried to keep an eye on the suspect while calling 911.
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ID? Well, what's legal isn't always smart. There should be an ID if the HOA supports the program in a gated community. Anything that deters an incident is beneficial. Was it worth the $2 cost of an ID? Was it not prudent to de-escalate an enraged Martin by identifying one's self? Isn't that why we teach these topics... to prevent an incident from getting out of hand? The ID isn't only for the perp, it's also so the residents know who you are.
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If Zimmerman lost sight of Martin as he told 911, and there were 4 long minutes that Martin had every chance to walk away, and Martin was a strapping athlete, all he had to do was run. No way could Zimmerman catch him. There should have been no contact if Martin continued to go home. Since contact is not usually expected in the NW program, why should he need an ID or identify himself.

Regarding his purpose, he was acting in a manner that promotes neighborhood safety and security. He was very engaged in his program. Is it wise to do this without proper training and licensing? In some states even a bar bouncer needs a security license.

Any of the Neighborhood Watch programs I have seen, there is some "training" of neighborhood coordinators by police. Also, police meet with interested homeowners and go over things to watch for and proper procedure. I read that, according to the group that registers the NW program. it appears Zimmerman's HO Assn apparently never went through the proper procedures to register. That does not mean the Sanford police never worked with the group. Also, it is not known if zimmerman ever had any training.
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Banging your head? Already too late to argue about proper self-defense. In such a situation if the perp got that close you already failed regarding the primary defensive actions. We're talking about this particular incident, not every incident. There could be times when a random, unprovoked attack puts one in that situation. But this isn't one of them.
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It appears the teen may have had a chip on his shoulder and figured he knew MMA so would show this fat guy. I agree that Martin got too close. Who knows if Martin would have done nothing if Zimmerman turned around to walk away? Based upon the testimony by Zimmerman's MMA insructor, Z was soft and not capable of much in a defensive situation.

Personally, I think Martin ran and looped around the block, popping-up with intent to surprise GZ from behind the condos. Thus GZ was likely the victim.

I think you are right.

 

[BC1]

Want to see how looney Bloomberg Businessweek reporters are? George Zimmerman's Acquittal: Four Blunt Observations - Businessweek Too easy to shoot down this article. He starts off with a title sentence in some of his 4 points and then says the opposite in the body of the paragraph. Typical liberal anti-rights person.

Wrote a respectful response. Opined that TM acted as a racist when he profiled GZ as "cracka." They refused to post my comments.

 

[flcracker]

Followup & My Last Post

About 40-some pages back….I posted this:

“Oh yeah, we’re gonna hang ya, but first, we’re gonna give ya a fa’r trial!”

There’s no way in hell that Mr. Z will ever ‘beat’ this thing, regardless of whether or not he’s guilty of any LEGAL infractions….The race baiters and their political PC supporters will never allow it.

Someone mentions that even though a witness says it was Martin on top, slamming the man’s head against concrete, there is no witness as to who was the original aggressor. Well GZ has been asked, and answered that question. Last I knew, the burden is on the state to prove he is lying, no burden on him to prove otherwise. And without a verifying witness, they can’t do that.

First, neighborhood watch groups are LEGAL. Second, if you possess a CCW in FL, and carry your weapon while in pursuit of ‘watching’ it’s LEGAL. Third, you have the LEGAL right to use deadly force if your (or anyone else’s) life is in eminent danger. So, please show me where’s the crime GZ committed?

If ANY black, white, or green wannabee, or even a real ‘gangsta’ ever makes the same mistake with me, that poor lil’ Trayvon made, whether GZ is convicted or not, the
outcome will be the same regardless. Y’all can take that to the bank!

God Bless ya George!, and best of luck.

FLc

Now I can happily admit that I was so WRONG! Apparently there are still some intelligent people left out there, that can read and understand the U.S. Constitution and a few FL statutes. Thanks to those fine ladies, Mr Z remains a free man.

Following the trial on a daily basis, I was pretty amazed at the obvious leaning of Judge ‘Farley’ doing her best to get him convicted…and the ‘witnesses’ the state chose, that for the most part more than convinced me of Mr Z’s obvious innocence, before the defense ever called their first witness. The prosecution in no way ever put forth one iota of proof that he ever broke any law.

The Sanford PD had it right, from the git-go, and the Chief paid for it with the loss of his job.

The trial was a total sham from the word go…an effort by the race baiters to ‘lynch’ George, for a ‘crime’ he never committed.

In closing, I’m saying ‘adios’…I have recently found another site dedicated to concealed carry, that is far less confrontational than this one has become. Hands on and better managed and moderated…I’m seeing this one becoming a clone of what PDO was before it burned down… And as an extra added feature, their pages actually fit my wide monitor screen! I can actually read posts without having to constantly scroll back and forth. What a great concept! Might be something regarding all the ads on every page that the current owner is jamming in. I totally understand and accept the concept of free enterprise…but c’mon!!

I may change my screen name on the other site from FLcracker, to ‘creepyasscracker’…I kinda like that one!

Stay well y’all, keep vigilant, and locked n’ loaded (especially now). ‘Blues’, you really need to consider law school. The system could really use some more GOOD men out there. And you sure show great promise.

FLc