Well I am glad you think the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is so darn funny.
Because that is what you said. It should not be that hard of a concept.
Ok so, again….show me exactly in that post above of mine where I actually said the Second Amendment was a laughing matter like you so accused me of doing. I didn’t say nothing of the sort. Didn’t even use the words yet you for some reason said I did and even though I didn’t spell it out for you in my other post, it should’ve been pretty derned easy to figure out that what I meant was “funny,” was the audacity and smug attitudes of most of all those open carriers who posted throughout this thread, including the OP who just thinks so negatively against concealed carriers and acts like open carry is just so much the way to go. That’s….what I thought was funny. Not the 2nd Amendment and not that method of carry. Some of the members here past and present is what I think was funny. Get it now? Jeez dude, do I have to get a slide rule and an overhead projector out to further explain it? For chrissakes, man.corneileous said:
I just went back though all the posts of this thread and, I gotta tell ya… it’s as funny as all get out...
That's where you said that. Apparently me posting it the first time wasn't enough for you.
I have an RPN-Calculator, so no need for a slide rule.
Hey, you will also be thrilled to know that the RPN-Calculator has an optional interface to use it with an overhead projector. That could potentially make any calculations more "tactical", IMHO.
Since I have already done that twice, I see no reason to do it again.
Snipped because I don’t care…
Maybe if I use a longer quote you will actually get it. In the above quote you refer to carry pistols as "damn guns", again your choice of words not mine, indicating your disdain for people who exercise their second amendment rights. I am glad you think that OC is, "as funny as all get out" and "silly, insane and laughable," again your words not mine.
I am glad you think that firearms discussions on internet forums are "some childish game". It's good to see such healthy contempt for the first and second amendment rights of other people.
No, actually it always has been about the second amendment right of law abiding citizens to openly carry firearms. Which incidentally recently became legal in my home state of SC, if you have the state issued handgun permit. Also the state of SC was nice enough to reduce the fee for such a permit to $0, which IMHO is equal to the intellectual capital that you have invested in this thread.
There are more changes still that need to be done to the firearms laws in SC, IMHO.
You are welcome.
Actually, this thread is about dispelling the silly unsubstantiated myths around open carry. The essay does not say open carry is better than concealed carry, and that's not what its about.No, it’s about how many people think open carry is better than concealed carry. That’s what this discussion has been all about from the day it opened.
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Egh, that’s not the way I saw it. Or well, maybe that’s not the way you wrote your initial essay on the subject but that’s what a lot of other members pretty much turned it into.Actually, this thread is about dispelling the silly unsubstantiated myths around open carry. The essay does not say open carry is better than concealed carry, and that's not what its about.
I agree but in my opinion and in this day of age with so many gun haters and politicians looking for more reason to ban guns and just make it even harder to get one the legal way, open carry is only good for woods carry and around home. People don’t need to see your sidearm and with the proper training and holster, CC can be drawn just as fast if not faster than open carry.In some situations open carry is better, in others, concealed carry is better - that's for the reader to work out.
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The difference is you speak in speculation, I speak from experience.I agree but in my opinion and in this day of age with so many gun haters and politicians looking for more reason to ban guns and just make it even harder to get one the legal way, open carry is only good for woods carry and around home. People don’t need to see your sidearm and with the proper training and holster, CC can be drawn just as fast if not faster than open carry.
I most certainly am not speaking out of speculation and this has nothing to do with your past experience. The past....[/] being the operative word.The difference is you speak in speculation, I speak from experience.
They haven't changed completely, there was still people and politicians those people voted for, seeking our gun rights but while Biden's been in office and even under Trump's presidency, the Democrats have been pushing harder than they ever have to abolish our gun rights and every single time when there's another school shooting or just any another mass shooting to whatever degree, they push even harder.During the decade+ I was openly carrying daily, 99% of the response I observed was positive. The 1% that was negative was a woman who wanted to debate that only police should have guns, so nothing I did or said changed her mind either way.
Don't need to. Just the very sight of an openly-carried firearm gets even more under their skin to push for more gun regulation, restriction, gun-free zones, red-flag laws, longer waiting periods and more stringent/wider background checks and any other miscellaneous law they can think of.Can you cite a single occurence of open carry being credited for any new gun ban law to back up the statement?
Not even remotely close to the point but when it starts limiting your's, and our freedom by making us jump through more hoops to exercise our rights, it should concern you but, you do you. You're all about that open carry, I am not so there's really no point in re-hashing what you and I have already hashed out probably half a decade ago. As far as I'm concerned, if you're not out in the woods or if you're not a cop who's three times more likely to use that gun, cover it up. You really aren't at any more of an advantage than I am, but argue with me and disagree with me all you like. In the last 5 years I've learned a lot, talked to a lot of people and there's still a reason why I am not interested in open carry. It's no longer about expressing your rights, doing it simply because you can or pissing off the Libs which, open carriers have done that quite well and we're starting to pay the consequences. Maybe not where you live but where you live isn't the whole United States.As to what people need or don't need, it doesn't concern me.
Everything here is strawman argument.I most certainly am not speaking out of speculation and this has nothing to do with your past experience. The past....[/] being the operative word.
Read on, I'll explain....
They haven't changed completely, there was still people and politicians those people voted for, seeking our gun rights but while Biden's been in office and even under Trump's presidency, the Democrats have been pushing harder than they ever have to abolish our gun rights and every single time when there's another school shooting or just any another mass shooting to whatever degree, they push even harder.
Don't need to. Just the very sight of an openly-carried firearm gets even more under their skin to push for more gun regulation, restriction, gun-free zones, red-flag laws, longer waiting periods and more stringent/wider background checks and any other miscellaneous law they can think of.
Some things are just better left unseen and since there's only a few things in my book that puts open carry above conceal carry, all you're doing at this point is just rubbing it in their face and now its gotten to the point where more and more of those regulations, restrictions and laws are becoming reality.
Not even remotely close to the point but when it starts limiting your's, and our freedom by making us jump through more hoops to exercise our rights, it should concern you but, you do you. You're all about that open carry, I am not so there's really no point in re-hashing what you and I have already hashed out probably half a decade ago. As far as I'm concerned, if you're not out in the woods or if you're not a cop who's three times more likely to use that gun, cover it up. You really aren't at any more of an advantage than I am, but argue with me and disagree with me all you like. In the last 5 years I've learned a lot, talked to a lot of people and there's still a reason why I am not interested in open carry. It's no longer about expressing your rights, doing it simply because you can or pissing off the Libs which, open carriers have done that quite well and we're starting to pay the consequences. Maybe not where you live but where you live isn't the whole United States.
No, it’s not. Explain to me how all or any of that I’ve said is “strawman argument”?Everything here is strawman argument.
And all of you people who open carry in urban environments aren’t helping.Are there people pushing for more restrictive gun laws? Yes.
Again, because there’s no need to and because you’re so pro open carry, think you got it all figured out and act like it’s the king of all carry methods, you’ll never accept that.Have you linked even one of these new gun laws to open carry? No.
Again, times have changed. Obviously you didn’t read that and/or you conveniently dismissed it because it goes against your narrative.So again, pure speculation. My actual experience was almost exclusively positive. People that might have passed by and not say anything to me felt compelled to express support when they saw I was openly carrying; and there were dozens and dozens of them. I had only one person wanting to discuss that wasn't supportive, and had one Karen call the cops (and they refused to respond because there was no crime) but she wasn't interested in discussing.
One of the best parts about the open carry forum (opencarry.org) was that people didn't tolerate speculation. If you couldn't cite something authoritative you either mention it's your opinion or you kept it to yourself.
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