The NRA Betrays Us

Ringo said:
I can't tell you who said anything about other gun organizations, just that forum members have mentioned in past discussions, as I recall, Gun Owners of America & Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. I know that the NRA is the best-known gun rights organization in the United States, and I know too that it's not the best at representing its membership. I realize that over time, the NRA has come to stand for the established order of things, fighting to preserve the legislative status quo, rather than to defend the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. I'm well aware that the NRA has come to accept laws infringing on Second Amendment rights, while taking the financial contributions of gun owners for granted. However, the NRA is the only gun organization that I personally have witnessed in the media or otherwise take any stand at all for gun owners rights, they have always been there (147 years). Therefor, until something better comes along I feel that they deserve support. Who/what else do gun owners have to represent them if not the NRA?
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Let's try this: Planned Parenthood has represented babies in the womb more than any other organization in the nation. They're the only ones anyone sees or hears in the media talking about babies in the womb. Sure, they've murdered millions of babies in the womb, but their representation consists of pushing the lie that babies in the womb don't feel pain when their brains are sucked out by a "medical" vacuum cleaner. How would America understand that babies in the womb don't feel pain if Planned Parenthood didn't spend the last 45 years educating the public about it? Regardless of whether they lie and murder though, until something better comes along, they deserve our support as being the only ones paying lip-service to representing babies in the womb.

Moral of the story: The NRA is to gun rights what Planned Parenthood is to the right to life. Neither support rights at all, they both support the complete dissolution of them.

Blues
 
Well everyone seems to be backpedaling some right now, but while I am a Lifetime member of the NRA, I also am active in the GOA and NAGR and 2AF. The NRA has about 5,000,000 members where the GOA has 1,500,000 and the others about half that. Five Million members is not chickenfeed as far as voting strength is concerned, size matters here. I quit the NRA for backpedaling before, but I am just reducing my support and telling them I am while doing that. Giving most, not all, of the money I had earmarked for the NRA to SAF.
 
BluesStringer said:
Let's try this: Planned Parenthood has represented babies in the womb more than any other organization in the nation. They're the only ones anyone sees or hears in the media talking about babies in the womb. Sure, they've murdered millions of babies in the womb, but their representation consists of pushing the lie that babies in the womb don't feel pain when their brains are sucked out by a "medical" vacuum cleaner. How would America understand that babies in the womb don't feel pain if Planned Parenthood didn't spend the last 45 years educating the public about it? Regardless of whether they lie and murder though, until something better comes along, they deserve our support as being the only ones paying lip-service to representing babies in the womb.

Moral of the story: The NRA is to gun rights what Planned Parenthood is to the right to life. Neither support rights at all, they both support the complete dissolution of them.

Blues
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I understand your analogy, however, I can't agree that the NRA doesn't support our rights at all, but instead supports the complete dissolution of them. That's just too extreme.
 
Ringo said:
I understand your analogy, however, I can't agree that the NRA doesn't support our rights at all, but instead supports the complete dissolution of them. That's just too extreme.
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Does it change what gun owners should think about the NRA to moderate that "too extreme" of a conclusion by saying, "The NRA supports *partial* dissolution of the Second Amendment?"

It doesn't for me.

Nobody who has supported any amount of violating the clear and unambiguous language of the Second Amendment has worked to support my rights at all. Especially people like the big-business Presidents, VPs, CEOs, CFOs, COOs and their upper-echelon underlings or legal departments of the NRA who all falsely claim to be protecting and defending the Second Amendment with the money they could never raise if their claims weren't as utterly dishonest as they are. No one who sends them money does so thinking that it's worth the cost because they're only *partially* working towards Second Amendment dissolution. They've first been lied to, and second, believed the lies. They weren't "extreme" lies. They weren't moderate or partial lies. They were just lies, and the Second Amendment is not helped at all by them, which means gun owners' rights are not helped at all by them. If that's too extreme a view, I don't care who thinks that or why they think it. I care only that I can substantiate coming to such a conclusion with documentation of the NRA working against gun owners on multiple occasions and on substantive Second Amendment-related issues, and I've done that in spades for over 10 years now on this forum and elsewhere for about the same number of years before that in the meat-world.

Blues
 
I'm leaning with Pandoz3 and Ringo here. While not in lock with any "gun organization" I am a Lifetime Member of the NRA and have thrown some donations to the SAF and GOA as well. On the local level we have the Iowa Firearms Coalition that we are also members of. As with any organization I support them when we agree and I "bash" them when I feel they're wrong.
Gene
 
FlashBack said:
I'm leaning with Pandoz3 and Ringo here. While not in lock with any "gun organization" I am a Lifetime Member of the NRA and have thrown some donations to the SAF and GOA as well. On the local level we have the Iowa Firearms Coalition that we are also members of. As with any organization I support them when we agree and I "bash" them when I feel they're wrong.
Gene
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So when they're "wrong," does it rise to the level of betrayal as far as you're concerned, or are you simply talking about minor differences of opinion? If you believe(d) that the NRA (or any of the rest) were actively working to weaken the protections and rights written into the Second Amendment, would they be "wrong" or would they be betraying you as a person who sends them money in order to defend and advocate for the Second Amendment?

It's not difficult for me to answer those questions, which I did for myself ~20 years ago. I know people who have rescinded their Lifetime membership upon learning that they were betrayed. Your membership status should have nothing to do with whether or not the .org has betrayed you. Well, actually, that ain't right.... When I was a member, learning of certain betrayals made me feel that much more betrayed, but my status as a member had nothing to do with whether or not they had actually betrayed me/us, which they had in my view, and have several times since as well.

Blues
 
The NRA is the only organization in America that gets blamed for actions none of it's members commit.
 
Well, I can't say what else the NRA has done, but it seems to me they have created new, shorter years. EVERY MONTH they ask me to renew
my ANNUAL membership. Now, "ANNUAL" DOES mean "YEARLY", does it not? NOW, a YEAR is TWELVE MONTHS, is it not? WTF,They might have a higher membership, if they were HALF AS GOOD
at finding new members, as they are at PESTERING THE CRAP out of the old ones.

And I have to hand it to them, they have perfect thermoclinitic emergence conditions. Every time they contact me it's "the most critical time ever" for our support. :dirol:
 
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