The NRA Betrays Us


ProudAmericanFirst said:

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The NRA is a complete joke. I used to be a member, I'm not banging on those who are current members, and I wish it were different but it's not. The NRA is a DC lobby, a wine club that sells insurance, and it offers discounts on items like car rentals and other services. They are rolling over completely and providing comfort to those that would seek to complete the gutting of 2A rights and freedoms.

If they were so damn courageous and full of virtue then they would not send their lackeys to an auditorium full of anti gunners who they'll never influence and sit there and get shellacked by people who want only one thing ultimately. The disarming of America. I wouldn't give them the time of day if I were "America's premier last line of defense on firearms issues". But they're not.

What they should do is get into an auditorium full of people that are gun owners and 2A advocates with half NRA members and half not members at all and see how that works out for them. It'll never happen because if you've been a member then you know they only communicate with members by check or credit card and if you're not a member and they're not fleecing you then they know you'll be there asking them the questions they never want to answer. Like, why did you not do or say anything when they murdered legal firearm owner Philando Castile in cold blood?

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niceshootintex said:
The NRA is a complete joke. I used to be a member, I'm not banging on those who are current members, and I wish it were different but it's not. The NRA is a DC lobby, a wine club that sells insurance, and it offers discounts on items like car rentals and other services. They are rolling over completely and providing comfort to those that would seek to complete the gutting of 2A rights and freedoms.

If they were so damn courageous and full of virtue then they would not send their lackeys to an auditorium full of anti gunners who they'll never influence and sit there and get shellacked by people who want only one thing ultimately. The disarming of America. I wouldn't give them the time of day if I were "America's premier last line of defense on firearms issues". But they're not.

What they should do is get into an auditorium full of people that are gun owners and 2A advocates with half NRA members and half not members at all and see how that works out for them. It'll never happen because if you've been a member then you know they only communicate with members by check or credit card and if you're not a member and they're not fleecing you then they know you'll be there asking them the questions they never want to answer. Like, why did you not do or say anything when they murdered legal firearm owner Philando Castile in cold blood?

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Very similar experience. Guess you have to be a member once to find out what they are all about..... and it becomes apparent almost immediately...... money.

Got URGENT notices in the mail to renew before my membership expired. Of course I had been a member only a few weeks and haven't even received my membership card, or the unsolicited DVD on shooting or something, only to be 'billed' for it later, which went in the same recycle bin as the DVD.
 
XD40scinNC said:
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Very similar experience. Guess you have to be a member once to find out what they are all about..... and it becomes apparent almost immediately...... money.

Got URGENT notices in the mail to renew before my membership expired. Of course I had been a member only a few weeks and haven't even received my membership card, or the unsolicited DVD on shooting or something, only to be 'billed' for it later, which went in the same recycle bin as the DVD.
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I still get weekly nuisance emails (despite unsubscribing several times) and snail mail at least twice a month from the NRA. The POTUS threw out killing due process the other day like he was talking about recycling cans and the NRA said nothing. The POTUS teased a Congressman about being afraid of the NRA and the NRA said nothing. They are going along to get along.

I'm still stunned by the other day. Had that been BO, people would be burying guns right now. This one has his base unhappy and I was among many at a meeting for another completely different subject where this due process topic took over the discussion. He is losing support every day he doesn't revisit the place he went that day.

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The NRA is kind of getting backed into a corner folks. They are not betraying anybody. If they know something is going to happen, they will just do their best to minimize the damage. I can never remember a full all out effort to destroy them like I am seeing now.


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Rivoak said:
The NRA is kind of getting backed into a corner folks. They are not betraying anybody. If they know something is going to happen, they will just do their best to minimize the damage. I can never remember a full all out effort to destroy them like I am seeing now.


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The NRA endorsed POTUS who stated (per the link below) on the campaign trail that Hillary wants to take your guns away. Now he advocates taking guns away and due process later. Wtf. This probably proves Blues consistent point about politicians more clearly than ever. It was good while it lasted but he talked the talk and then went out and pulled out the shank when the going got a little bumpy. Sad. Bad. [emoji45] We lose again.

NRA Endorses Donald Trump for President - ABC News

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BluesStringer said:
Without intending to point that finger at any one individual, I agree wholeheartedly.
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With 347 days in office, Trump had 1,950 documented lies. They are easy to find online. I am sure by now he has blown past the 2,000 mark.

Gee, with his track record, why would anybody think he would lie about gun control?

The truth is during the past election the American public got totally shafted by both parties, we had nobody decent to vote for. Nobody.

If Hilary had got elected, she would have got nothing done on gun control because Republicans wouldn’t help her get across the tracks if a train was coming. Now we have Republicans controlling everything, which is really bad. Every time one party controls everything, they only get more screw ups done faster.

I don’t think Trump lies intentionally, I just think he lives in another world ( remember the twilight zone) where facts don’t matter, and being detached from reality, he says whatever he wants, and will turn on his friends in a skinny minute. Just look at what he has been doing to the people he hired and the people who helped him during the election. He doesn’t have anybody left to throw under the bus but us.


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Rivoak said:
The truth is during the past election the American public got totally shafted by both parties, we had nobody decent to vote for. Nobody.
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I agree that that's true, and that's exactly who I voted for: Nobody.

America has been getting shafted by both (or "all" as the case may be) parties since....well....forever. I played the game of choosing between the "lesser of two evils" between 1973 when I became eligible, and 2012 when I became aware that there's no such thing as a "lesser" evil, there's just evil or not evil.

I'm not particularly big on memes sans any personal commentary to go along with them. I rarely give props or agreement or a thumbs-up to posts that only have a meme in them. I rarely give those kinds of acknowledgements to XD at all, in fact, but that meme stated succinctly and truthfully exactly the conclusion that uncountable hours of thoughtful analysis and observation over many years has led to in my own mind, pretty much just like this one does the same:



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If "they" give you nobody to vote for in good conscience, then how can a person who votes maintain a good conscience? My conscience is as clear as it's ever been since deciding that I could no longer justify voting for evil. People who still vote, but nonetheless feel as you describe above, are double-minded beyond rationality.

Blues
 
Nothing surprises me, other than how conservatives vote for leftists just because there is an “R” after the name.

Real estate magnate Donald Trump gave at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, the Hill reported Trump’s Clinton donations put him on defense


But as Republicans and Tea Party activists nationwide were working to take back the House and Senate in 2010, Trump was also handing out checks to top Democratic incumbents: $4,800 to Reid, $2,000 to Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and more than $8,000 total to New York's two senators, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.

Over the last two decades, Trump gave money to a number of high-profile Democrats and liberal icons, including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle and Joe Biden. The biggest recipient of Trump's largesse? The scandal-plagued Rangel, who has taken $24,750 from Trump since the 1990 election cycle. - Trump has a long history of assisting Democrats - CNN.com

Donald Trump predicted Wednesday night that Hillary Clinton will take one more shot at winning the White House in 2016, and declined to rule out the possibility of throwing his support behind the former presidential candidate. “Hillary Clinton, I think, is a terrific woman,” Trump said in an interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York, she lives in New York, and I’ve known her and her husband for years and I really like them both a lot.”

Praising the secretary of state for being a hard worker and for having done a “good job” since joining the Obama administration, Trump said he expects Clinton to run for office again.
“I think assuming she is healthy, which I hope she will be, I think she runs after the next four years, I would imagine,” he said. - Election 2016: Donald Trump gambling on Hillary Clinton - POLITICO
daughter Ivanka Trump donated between $5,001 and $10,000,
Trump has given $541,650 to federal Democratic candidates and fundraising committees going back to 1990, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics. He's handed out money to Democratic statewide candidates as well. In 2009, for instance, Trump cut a $25,000 check to former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe for his unsuccessful 2009 Virginia gubernatorial bid.

Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. All of these bankruptcies were connected to over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, all of
which are now operated under the banner of Trump Entertainment Resorts.Apr 29, 2011 -
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc...ow-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/


Think that’s bad, check out NWO Mike Pence’s record.
 
Rivoak said:
The NRA is kind of getting backed into a corner folks. They are not betraying anybody. If they know something is going to happen, they will just do their best to minimize the damage. I can never remember a full all out effort to destroy them like I am seeing now.
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Agreed. They'll weather it. Most of the "damage" is either grossly over-exaggerated by mudstream media or simply imagined.
 
since9 said:
Agreed. They'll weather it. Most of the "damage" is either grossly over-exaggerated by mudstream media or simply imagined.
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They'll "weather" it because so many gun owners are clueless about their many betrayals. I can document many of them. Will you dismiss it as "imagined" when I do?

Is it "imagined" that the NRA supported the NFA all the way back in 1934?

Is it "imagined" that the NRA supported GCA68?

Is it "imagined" that the GCA68 bill that the NRA supported was a direct copy of the German Weapons Law of 1938 (Nazi Weapons Law is a suitable substitute)?

Did you know that only five years ago, NRA's President, David Keene, was calling for the banning of bump stocks on the basis that they "made a semi-auto into a machine gun," even claiming that they should be a felony to own, all in spite of the fact that Link Removed? Did you know that he also called for expansion of NICS, and praised the banning of full-auto weapons? At the same event he also said that it was not a "legitimate" claim that the Second Amendment was intended to protect the citizenry's right to fight a government that had gone tyrannical. Just a tad bit too much revisionist history for this Second Amendment advocate's "imagination" to abide. All that and more is documented in video format at the link, so please tell us how that's "imagined."

I'll tell ya what's imagined here - It is the product of massive wild imaginings that either the BATFE or the NRA has any authority to define our rights at all under the Second Amendment. It is the amendment itself that defines our rights, and any departure in definitions from the easy-to-understand language therein, is an attempt to destroy those rights, not "define" them.

The NRA is America's largest gun control organization in this country. Only your own wild imagination could make you believe otherwise. The evidence is in every major piece of federal gun legislation, and most smaller, seemingly "insignificant" ones from DC to every state-house in the nation.

I for one, do not consent to the NRA lobbying on my behalf as a gun owner or as a Second Amendment originalist, proponent and activist.

Did you know that the NRA also fought against Heller?

Blues
 
The NRA is the only gun rights organization that has any national attention or influence and is also hated by both of who are pro & anti the 2nd amendment. Too bad there isn't another pro gun organization out there that will openly take a stand like the NRA. And if other gun organizations are so much better than the NRA, why then are they so inadequate and their membership so low?
 
Ringo said:
The NRA is the only gun rights organization that has any national attention or influence and is also hated by both of who are pro & anti the 2nd amendment. Too bad there isn't another pro gun organization out there that will openly take a stand like the NRA. And if other gun organizations are so much better than the NRA, why then are they so inadequate and their membership so low?
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Who said anything about other gun .orgs?

Minimum estimates of the number of gun owners in this country are in the 80 million range. The most members the NRA ever had was 7 million, and NRA itself currently claims only 5 million members, which means the biggest gun rights organization in the country are the (minimum) 73 to 75 million gun owners who exercise their rights simply by using them.

Higher-range estimates of gun owners is in the 120 million range. Somewhere between that and 80 million is where "accurate estimates" can be found most likely, but I'm willing to accept the lowest estimates for purposes of demonstration.

Membership in a big-business organization doesn't make anyone a gun rights activist, or even a vocal advocate. If you pay someone to advocate for your rights, the very minimum of what you should get for your money is advocacy for your rights! Unless you can successfully refute any of the linked and documented departures from such advocacy by the NRA, you're suggesting that paying someone to advocate for your rights who doesn't perform the task(s) you're paying for is perfectly fine just by virtue of them being bigger than other .orgs, other .orgs BTW, which have not even been mentioned.

The NRA has well-established a variation of an old saying - "The bigger they are, the harder their membership falls." The only problem is that their membership, you know, the 6.25% extreme (minimum) minority of (current) gun owners in America, are so sound asleep that even the sound of gun control advocacy from the NRA can't wake them up.

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BluesStringer said:
Who said anything about other gun .orgs?

Minimum estimates of the number of gun owners in this country are in the 80 million range. The most members the NRA ever had was 7 million, and NRA itself currently claims only 5 million members, which means the biggest gun rights organization in the country are the (minimum) 73 to 75 million gun owners who exercise their rights simply by using them.

Higher-range estimates of gun owners is in the 120 million range. Somewhere between that and 80 million is where "accurate estimates" can be found most likely, but I'm willing to accept the lowest estimates for purposes of demonstration.

Membership in a big-business organization doesn't make anyone a gun rights activist, or even a vocal advocate. If you pay someone to advocate for your rights, the very minimum of what you should get for your money is advocacy for your rights! Unless you can successfully refute any of the linked and documented departures from such advocacy by the NRA, you're suggesting that paying someone to advocate for your rights who doesn't perform the task(s) you're paying for is perfectly fine just by virtue of them being bigger than other .orgs, other .orgs BTW, which have not even been mentioned.

The NRA has well-established a variation of an old saying - "The bigger they are, the harder their membership falls." The only problem is that their membership, you know, the 6.25% extreme (minimum) minority of (current) gun owners in America, are so sound asleep that even the sound of gun control advocacy from the NRA can't wake them up.

Blues
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I can't tell you who said anything about other gun organizations, just that forum members have mentioned in past discussions, as I recall, Gun Owners of America & Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. I know that the NRA is the best-known gun rights organization in the United States, and I know too that it's not the best at representing its membership. I realize that over time, the NRA has come to stand for the established order of things, fighting to preserve the legislative status quo, rather than to defend the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. I'm well aware that the NRA has come to accept laws infringing on Second Amendment rights, while taking the financial contributions of gun owners for granted. However, the NRA is the only gun organization that I personally have witnessed in the media or otherwise take any stand at all for gun owners rights, they have always been there (147 years). Therefor, until something better comes along I feel that they deserve support. Who/what else do gun owners have to represent them if not the NRA?
 
You be the judge..


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