LGH:256562 said:Saltcreek;2uY30437 said:I carried and used a nightstick and ASP for 25 years on the job. In Ohio you will quickly go to jail for having a collapsible baton. They classed in the same catagory as brass knuckles and nun-chucks. BAD advise. I don't know of any CCW permit anywhere that allows you to carry other such "backup" weapons.
This sounds like advise from an armchair warrior who has made several bad "assumptions". My comments are not assumption because I have been to court many times where there are no assumption, only case law. "YouTube" is not accepted training,and often has bad advise. Where is your certified training? Also, once you engage in the hand to hand combat as you described, you are no longer defending yourself, but engaging in "Mutual Combat" and you will go to jail. Once you engage in doing "joint locks" you are no longer defending, or in fear of your safety under the law. Ohio law for instance, does not permit a civilian to use physical force to apprehend someone, even in a felony. A baton under Ohio law is defined as a "deadly weapon", so your excuse of less lethal force is mute. Virtually every one of your "assumpsions" has already been debunked in actual case law. I suggest studying actual law before guessing. Not trying to be mean, but street lawyer advice will get someone hurt or arrested. The TV show T.J. Hooker was just Hollywood.
A baton is not against the law in the state of Ohio. It is not listed on the list and does not fit into the similar weapons.
ORC 2923.20 Manufacture, possess for sale, sell, or furnish to any person other than a law enforcement agency for authorized use in police work, any brass knuckles, cestus, billy, blackjack, sandbag, switchblade knife, springblade knife, gravity knife, or similar weapon;
Seriously?
I'm a career cop and an Instructor-Trainer for Monadnock's baton systems and I don't carry one off duty. I would strongly advise that folks pass on this advice.
You would be suprised what is considered a weapon in different states. Blackjacks and other various weapons are outlawed but it never comes up. Look up you local state, county, and city rules.
\I never trust a cop for advice. I would strongly advise that folks pass on his advice too.
There are going to be instances where deadly force, or even drawing, would be excessive, but snap a baton out, and you can level the playing field in most cases. If I have a gun on me, I want to protect it from being taken, too. I could cite circumstances, but you get my drift.
Get a good stout cane if you want a PC impact device, if anyone says anything just mention the Americans with Disabilities Act and that usually settles the cane issue.
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