Yes, the reason I dropped out of USA Carry for a year when I realized the number of LEO worshippers. Remember, government-subsidized professional police service is a relatively new concept - that communities did a far better job squelching crime a few hundred years ago without them. I'm not suggesting it [police] go away - society is too complex and drowning in superfluous laws. But the base facts are that police and courts actually suppress justice creating legal policies, procedures and revolving door recidivism. It will never change because good citizens fell into the trap of issuing too much respect for authority. Now, they [police, courts and politicians] see themselves as royal lords and the rest of us, serfs. We created this condition over time and this forum is packed with the type you describe - the kind that brought to school apples for their teachers - should have seen it coming.