The two most prominent points in Mr. Fish's case were a question of which law applied, and the fact that he used such a large caliber. Since AZ had passed a new law, there has been discussion as to whether the new law applied, or the older one.
You are so correct! Mr. Fish's 10 mm bullets were HUGE! :haha:
I wil look up Mr. Fish's case, but I sincerely doubt he was convicted he was convicted for carrying 10mm ammo, which is only one millimeter larger than the ubiquitous nine,and .05 inch smaller than the .45 ACP.
The Judge you spoke with is an idiot! My brother-in-law is a chief DA in Philly. (Where JHP's are illegal, I found this out on a visit form Florida.) He didn't have a problem with the JHP's, he just told me not shoot anyone with them. He thinks it's great that there are concealed carry laws. In some cases he feel it makes his job at prosicuting them easier because they can't testify. He told me it doesn't matter how many rounds the gun can hold, just how many rounds were fired and where did they go. The next time I visited Philly I changed my ammo to EFMJ, there not JHP's
In PA no. Unless the judge is originally from NJ (which is possible) I don't understand his reasoning. Hollowpoint ammunition is illegal in NJ for civilian use.So, I had an interesting conversation with a local district magistrate. He informed me that if I were to use my .40 cal Taurus for self defense (which is what it is for), with a full magazine of federal HydraShocks, I could be charged with manslaughter?
Does it matter how many rounds are in your self defense carry gun? Does it matter what type of ammunition it is? I am confused by the whole deal. Is he just telling me something so he can hear himself talk or what? I have never found any type of written rules to govern such a statement.
Anyone help me out? I am just trying to find the truth. Has anyone ever even heard of soemthing like this?
Also what are the rules for a properly permitted concealed carry weapon? are they to be unloaded when carried or is it ok to have a concealed carry cocked and locked?
PA is one of the States that passed a State ban on armor piercing handgun ammunition before the Fed did. Such rounds are prohibited by the Fed too so whether there's a state law prohibiting it is irrelevant now. NV has a similar restriction under NRS 202.273 which became law back in 1983. The KTW round caused a lot of needless hype.In PA, Teflon coated bullets are a no no. for criminal use....but I dont think Id be the test case for concealed carry
18 Pa. C.S. §6121. Certain Bullets Prohibited.
Actually there is. There's Harold Fish for the use of 10mm rounds which were a factor. If you look at the SAAMI specs, full power 10mm is essentially .40 S&W +P as it has about 10% more PSI than standard pressure .40 S&W.There is an urban legend that a jury will convict a self-defense shooter based upon the "lethality" of the ammo used and whether or not that ammo was handloaded. It's total B.S. and there is not one case history that anyone has found where the type of ammo has been considered, as long as there is no specific prohibition to the type of ammo used, such as armor piercing, or in NJ - hollowpoints.
The Judge you spoke with is an idiot! My brother-in-law is a chief DA in Philly. (Where JHP's are illegal, I found this out on a visit form Florida.) He didn't have a problem with the JHP's, he just told me not shoot anyone with them. He thinks it's great that there are concealed carry laws. In some cases he feel it makes his job at prosicuting them easier because they can't testify. He told me it doesn't matter how many rounds the gun can hold, just how many rounds were fired and where did they go. The next time I visited Philly I changed my ammo to EFMJ, there not JHP's
I must be missing something, It seems to me that the fmj's would be illegal because they are in and out putting others in danger, where as hp's may still go thru but loose alot in the process taking away some risk to bystanders. I always carry locked and loaded with gold dot JHP. that judge should be removed from the bench.
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