Signs of the End of the Age & The Last Generation

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You love your children...so prove it.



sinful nature is always hostile to God....
False analogy. That's not something I have to prove to others; for one thing it's none of their business.

More to the point, I'm not seeking proof of a creator god and I'm willing to concede the possibility of a creator god, but before I commit to any particular version of a creator god I want to see some verifiable evidence that one more likely than not does exist. In the normal world this is not a very high standard, it's only one step above anecdote.
 
You are correct. You do not have to prove it.

I think we both understand anything I say will not be satisfactory in your quest for evidence.... just as anything you say about love is considered proof.

Your journey is with God.
If you don't believe that is your choice and I am not going to hammer you for it.


sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 
Sorry old son, no one on here has an unholy glee at the thought of eternal punishment. On the contrary, we try to spread the Word of God so people WILL NOT have to suffer those consequences and are met with opposition in most cases by those who either have no religion, see their "religion" as someone other than God, or are just being antagonistic. We do believe in our God and, contrary to what you may think, those more upset are those who deny God. If they don't believe in Him, why worry about our belief? I can accept your unbelief for whatever reason you give but I don't have to agree with it and, can refrain from comment as long as yours and others comments are not inflammatory. Just sayin,........
Fair enough. Just to be clear, however, when I use the term self-serving, I mean using the Bible as evidence of it's own veracity. Additionally, if the Bible really is divinely inspired then God is an almighty sucky communicator, and it's a cop-out to blame the students for not understanding the lesson. Further, was the council of Nicea divinely inspired when it assembled the Bible from all the possible contending books? What about the various translators, preachers and commentators, few of whom agree amongst themselves ?

Point being, the Bible and it's supporters impeach themselves, let alone what nonbelievers have to say. The Bible is not a self-proving document.
 
Since you believe in the high stakes of your eternity, unless that was a throwaway line, what do YOU think will get you eternal life? Why is simply believing in something such high stakes?

I presently see no objective reason to believe in life after death, either in a religious or a secular sense. You apparently do. If I have to not just believe, but believe correctly, in order to avoid an eternity of punishment and torment, isn't it of tantamount importance that I get it right? Humanity has worshipped thousands, perhaps millions, of deities; how do I choose from among them? Why should I believe in your version?
 
I presently see no objective reason to believe in life after death, either in a religious or a secular sense. You apparently do. If I have to not just believe, but believe correctly, in order to avoid an eternity of punishment and torment, isn't it of tantamount importance that I get it right? Humanity has worshipped thousands, perhaps millions, of deities; how do I choose from among them? Why should I believe in your version?


You are hard to it! No one here can help you.



sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 
I presently see no objective reason to believe in life after death, either in a religious or a secular sense. You apparently do. If I have to not just believe, but believe correctly, in order to avoid an eternity of punishment and torment, isn't it of tantamount importance that I get it right? Humanity has worshipped thousands, perhaps millions, of deities; how do I choose from among them? Why should I believe in your version?

You are hard to it! No one here can help you.

Nor does he need any help, sounds like his feet are on the ground and his head is clear.

But I'm sure someone will come along and tell him he is going to hell, just for good measure.
 
You are hard to it! No one here can help you.



sinful nature is always hostile to God....
So you shy away from it.

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
 
Fair enough. Just to be clear, however, when I use the term self-serving, I mean using the Bible as evidence of it's own veracity. Additionally, if the Bible really is divinely inspired then God is an almighty sucky communicator, and it's a cop-out to blame the students for not understanding the lesson. Further, was the council of Nicea divinely inspired when it assembled the Bible from all the possible contending books? What about the various translators, preachers and commentators, few of whom agree amongst themselves ?

Point being, the Bible and it's supporters impeach themselves, let alone what nonbelievers have to say. The Bible is not a self-proving document.

jabeady: I disagree with your stand on the veracity of the Bible. For a book that was written thousands of years ago, and which offers prophecies to the current day, I feel that it has established itself admirably. I don't feel that I have impeached myself in any way in dealing with the Bible. Contrary to your assertion, the Bible's composition was not determined by the Council of Nicea. Just a couple of references throw water on your theory. There may be contradictory publications but I have yet to find any. I am sorry you have such an opinion of God and His divine revelations but we take everything on faith as the Bible says. The Bible says we must have faith and come to the Lord as a little child, believing. If you don't have that faith, fair enough. You are of the age of reason and free to think and feel however you wish. We, on the other hand, have given our lives to God and anxiously await His coming or our trip to meet Him. At least you have conceded the possibility that there may be a God. That, in itself, is progress and makes me have hopes that you may one day come to the realization that He is the one and only true God. I dearly love to have conversations on here about God with any and all who care to participate so have at it.


Who Decided What Went into the Bible? - Topical Studies

The Council of Nicaea (Nicea) and the Bible
 
I just put a Google search for prophecies that full fill the Bible. I was going to do a few cu and paste but I don't think it would matter. So, there it is.

jabeady: I disagree with your stand on the veracity of the Bible. For a book that was written thousands of years ago, and which offers prophecies to the current day, I feel that it has established itself admirably. I don't feel that I have impeached myself in any way in dealing with the Bible. Contrary to your assertion, the Bible's composition was not determined by the Council of Nicea. Just a couple of references throw water on your theory. There may be contradictory publications but I have yet to find any. I am sorry you have such an opinion of God and His divine revelations but we take everything on faith as the Bible says. The Bible says we must have faith and come to the Lord as a little child, believing. If you don't have that faith, fair enough. You are of the age of reason and free to think and feel however you wish. We, on the other hand, have given our lives to God and anxiously await His coming or our trip to meet Him. At least you have conceded the possibility that there may be a God. That, in itself, is progress and makes me have hopes that you may one day come to the realization that He is the one and only true God. I dearly love to have conversations on here about God with any and all who care to participate so have at it.


Who Decided What Went into the Bible? - Topical Studies

The Council of Nicaea (Nicea) and the Bible
 
So you shy away from it.

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787




Thomas Jefferson:*
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”*
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”*

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."*

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)




sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 
I'm not going to be redirected. If there is no god, then none of the rest matters. If a verifiable god should emerge from all the obfuscation, then humanity can get back to mistreating itself for his/her/its sake.
 
jabeady: I disagree with your stand on the veracity of the Bible. For a book that was written thousands of years ago, and which offers prophecies to the current day, I feel that it has established itself admirably. I don't feel that I have impeached myself in any way in dealing with the Bible. Contrary to your assertion, the Bible's composition was not determined by the Council of Nicea. Just a couple of references throw water on your theory. There may be contradictory publications but I have yet to find any. I am sorry you have such an opinion of God and His divine revelations but we take everything on faith as the Bible says. The Bible says we must have faith and come to the Lord as a little child, believing. If you don't have that faith, fair enough. You are of the age of reason and free to think and feel however you wish. We, on the other hand, have given our lives to God and anxiously await His coming or our trip to meet Him. At least you have conceded the possibility that there may be a God. That, in itself, is progress and makes me have hopes that you may one day come to the realization that He is the one and only true God. I dearly love to have conversations on here about God with any and all who care to participate so have at it.


Who Decided What Went into the Bible? - Topical Studies

The Council of Nicaea (Nicea) and the Bible
Again, fair enough. However, my concession of possibility represents more of a step backwards than forwards, as I'm sure my instructors at the seminary (Wisconsin Lutheran Synod) would attest. Before you ask, and as should be obvious by now, I dropped out when I began asking questions about things such as the apparently irreconcilable difference between 6,000 and 14 billion years. That's a pretty big difference, and only one of those numbers was derived from actual evidence; the other comes from anecdote.

As for biblical prophecy, I'm waiting on a comparison between its success rate and that of Nostredamic prophecy.
 
Again, fair enough. However, my concession of possibility represents more of a step backwards than forwards, as I'm sure my instructors at the seminary (Wisconsin Lutheran Synod) would attest. Before you ask, and as should be obvious by now, I dropped out when I began asking questions about things such as the apparently irreconcilable difference between 6,000 and 14 billion years. That's a pretty big difference, and only one of those numbers was derived from actual evidence; the other comes from anecdote.

As for biblical prophecy, I'm waiting on a comparison between its success rate and that of Nostredamic prophecy.

I am of a different bent than you. I do not try to seek answers to things which are unknowable to any of us. After a certain time in the past, all becomes conjecture on our part and who is to say that one interpretation is of any more value than that of another? It is what I do know from the Bible that guides me and motivates me to continue learning. Apparently, somewhere along the line, your seminary failed to instill in you a firm belief in God, as presented in the Bible, which caused you to leave. That is unfortunate. I would love to go to a seminary solely for learning purposes, not aimed at any particular religious belief. I find the Bible fascinating and can be proved by actual historical evidence, not anecdotal accounts. I am not interested in the prophecy of Nostradamus, the Bible has enough prophecy, which has occurred, and is occurring today, to satisfy me and to make me feel that our time left here is extremely limited. One's belief in God is a very personal matter and, according to the Bible, one must be called by God. From what I read on here daily, a lot of people must not have been at home when the call came.

A favorite passage from the Bible says it all to me: "Seek ye the Lord while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, and He will have mercy on him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon." Isa. 55:6,7. That particular chapter of Isaiah says a lot and is worthy of repeated reading with which to fortify oneself in these trying times. Regardless of your take on God and religion, in general, I hope you do find your way to Him and enjoy the thought of being with Him as the rest of us do. In the meantime, God bless and have a good day.
 
Christ Brings Division, Not Peace

What a world we live in. It's been turned upside down and what God declares as sin is now the law of the land. Many Christians are in a quandary about what to do, but there should be no question. As Christians we follow God, not man. Christ didn't promise us that there wouldn't be hard choices to make in order to follow Him. On the contrary, He promised division. "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division" Luke 12:51. Christians follow Christ, but the world follows Satan. There has always been a division between Christians and the secular world and the world is hostile to Christianity. Oddly enough, as the secular world becomes increasingly hostile to Christianity they ignore Muslim atrocities, such as beheading people. Satan blinds people to truth.



Sometimes we have to choose between following Christ and losing family and friends. Jesus told us that would happen. "For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." Luke 12:52-53. Unless you come from a Christian home you may be rejected by your family members when you choose to follow Christ. The world doesn't understand that Christianity is a way of life and cannot be compromised or legislated. The division between Christians and those who follow the god of this world is the cause of all out persecution against Christians. It is the Christian who will be expected to accept the ways of Satan in order to keep things peaceful. Go back to Luke 12:51, Christ didn't come to bring peace on earth. Persecution is happening today as in times past when the early Christians were thrown to the lions and worse. Today we see Christians being beheaded and tortured. We need to learn from those early Christians who would not deny Christ, even in the face of prison or death.



Persecution of Christians began early. The Jewish leaders would not accept Christ as the Messiah and they criminalized Christianity. A man who had been lame from birth was at the gate of the Temple asking for alms. When Peter and John walked by he asked for money, "Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk." Acts 3:6. The man was healed and overjoyed. He praised God. The man had been healed by the power of God, not government enforced regulations. The bystanders were amazed and Peter preached to them proclaiming Jesus Christ. Of course this made the Jewish officials angry. Following Christ brought division and Peter and John were imprisoned. Even then the people were expected to rely on the governing body and deny Christ. Peter and John were forbidden to speak to anyone about Jesus. This is very much like what is happening today...Christianity is being criminalized. Christians need to follow Peter's example. "But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard." Acts 4:19-20. When Peter and John told the other believers what had happened, they prayed, praising God and asking for boldness as they spread the Gospel. Many Christians today deny the power of the Holy Spirit, but when those early Christians prayed they felt the ground shake and they were filled with the Holy Spirit, then went out and boldly spoke the word of God. We need to study the way those early Christians depended upon God. The division that Christ brought was not among the Christians, but between the Christians and the world. Peter and the others continued to openly preach Christ and once again were arrested. This time an angel came and freed them from prison and they went right back to preaching. When the surprised Jewish leadership didn't find them in the jail cell, but rather preaching in the Temple, Peter and the others were brought before them. When asked why they disobeyed the order that they would not speak of Jesus the answer was simple. "Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29. Well said, Peter. Peter was the one who ran and hid on the night Christ was arrested, but by the time of this incident Peter truly understood who Christ was and that God is to be obeyed over man.



The division between the Jewish leaders and Christians was great. Persecution became strong against those first Christians who were in Jerusalem so many left. Saul was a very zealous persecutor of those whom he deemed were blaspheming God. When on his way to Damascus to arrest the Christians who had fled there, something miraculous happened. A light from heaven shone around him and the voice of Jesus spoke. "And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?" Acts 9:4. Did you catch that? Saul, better known today as Paul, thought that he was acting against people who believed in Christ, but in fact it was Christ he was persecuting. That's true today. It isn't individual Christians that are being persecuted, but the One we serve. The lost people of this world cannot accept Jesus and hold onto their sinful ways so they persecute our Lord. Christ causes division. The only way they think they can make their sin acceptable is to criminalize Christianity and legalize sin. They can persecute us and make Christianity illegal, but they can never take away the penalty of their sin. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23. The same man who persecuted Christ because he hated Christians became a changed man after his encounter on the road to Damascus. He gave his life to Christ and is the same man who penned the words in Romans 6:23. God can dramatically change a person and Christians are His instruments. Plant seeds by standing firm on God's word. Show God's love and mercy to those who are in need of salvation through Christ.



God's word never changes. God never changes. Human beings have a sin nature but when we accept Christ we are forgiven of our sin. That doesn't mean we have God's approval to continue in sin. The world may pass laws that condone the murder of babies in the womb or homosexuality, but that doesn't mean God approves. "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 14:12. Secular people who reject Jesus do not care about God's ways. Christians must study God's word and understand that His Scripture is superior to man's ungodly laws. Division comes because Satan needs to make sin seem "...right unto a man". As followers of Christ we cannot compromise our Christian walk, but you need to study God's word to be sure you understand what He says and then obey. Christ told us there would be division, but He didn't say to compromise.



Brethren, we are facing perilous times. As Daniel's 70th week draws near, evil becomes more open and many people are not ashamed of their sin, but flaunt it. We have to make a choice. Should we compromise our faith in order to fit in with the world? No. Jesus said faith in Him would create division. Pastors will soon need to decide who they will perform wedding ceremonies for, but I would suggest that like Peter they ought to obey God rather than men. This might mean that the tax exempt status is taken away, but if money is more important than following God there is more trouble in that congregation than whose marriage a pastor will officiate over. Jesus said "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matthew 6:24. Americans never had to choose between God and country, but today a choice is being forced upon us and division is here.



We need to understand that those who pass laws condoning sin, as well as those who embrace and revel in that sin, condemned themselves. Now, let me back up a bit. If someone has truly accepted Christ their past, present, and future sin is forgiven. The outward evidence of accepting Christ is moving away from worldly sin and conforming your life to Christ. If you can condone any sin that God abhors, then you need to examine yourself to determine if you truly have accepted Christ. If you haven't truly accepted Him then you have condemned yourself to eternity in the Lake of Fire. "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18. You may be able to convince yourself that you can embrace sin and follow Christ, but you will never convince God.



As Christians take an uncompromising stance on God's word, remember one other point which cannot be compromised. God is love. Not only does He love us, but He IS love. "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." 1 John 4:7. Even though our faith may cause division it is of the utmost importance that we show God's love to everyone. After all, we are also sinners but have been forgiven. "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8. Our commission is to go into the world and share the Gospel. We cannot win souls by watering down the Gospel, nor will any be won through anger.



A Pharisee asked Jesus which is the great commandment in the law. "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:37-40. Christians, let's remember to love God first, then love our neighbor. If division happens, it is only because the unsaved of this world have hardened their hearts to the love of Jesus.

Nathele Graham
 
I'm not going to be redirected. If there is no god, then none of the rest matters. If a verifiable god should emerge from all the obfuscation, then humanity can get back to mistreating itself for his/her/its sake.

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Really, you got suckered into the nonsense on this site? Did you read the disclainer at the top? It says "MyNews24 is a user-generated section of News24.com. The stories here come from users" you know people that make **** up cause they are full of it.

Perhaps you should have also looked at the name of the source of this bull excrement, it Dumasaphobia Contagion, but since you took the bait, I guess he chose his moniker well, and this is his only submission.

Take two of these, even though they probably won't help.

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