Signs of the End of the Age & The Last Generation
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Ringo
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Correct Stan, millions will be saved during the 7 years of Tribulation...(Revelation 6:9–11) "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been". The saving power of the Holy Spirit will still be on the Earth, only the Spirit Filled Church (Restrainer) will have been removed in the Rapture.
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If You Died Today, Would You Go To Heaven?
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Ringo
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An atheists ONLY HOPE is that there is no afterlife, their GREATEST FEAR is that there is.
"It Is Appointed Unto Men Once To Die, But After This The JUDGMENT" :victory:
If You Died Today, Would You Go To Heaven?
~ Eternity Is Too Long To Be Wrong ~
Yeah, you need to go read your Bible again. The Revelation speaks of a number so big it can't be counted of saints who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus Christ in the Great Tribulation.
I don't see "harder to get saved" in that.
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Oldgrunt
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Eidolon: This might explain how people are saved during the Tribulation period after the Holy Spirit has been withdrawn from the world. The 144,000 Jews are under the special protection of God while they evangelize in the post-rapture period and lead people to Christ.
Who are the 144,000?
Ringo
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God's Holy Spirit (OMNIPRESENCE) is never withdrawn from the world. In fact, the Holy Spirit will empower every one of the 144,000 in order for them to accomplish their mission to evangelize. Only the Restrainer (the Spirit Filled Church) holding back "full blown" evil in this world, will be withdrawn from the world at the time of the Rapture.
(Psalm 139:7-10)
Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,
even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast
(Proverbs 15:3)
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good".
(Jeremiah 23:23-24)
“Am I only a God nearby,”
declares the Lord,
“and not a God far away?
Who can hide in secret places
so that I cannot see them?”
declares the Lord.
“Do not I fill heaven and earth?”
declares the Lord.
(Numbers 14:21)
"But indeed, as I live, all the earth will be filled with the glory of the LORD".
Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,
even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast
(Proverbs 15:3)
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good".
(Jeremiah 23:23-24)
“Am I only a God nearby,”
declares the Lord,
“and not a God far away?
Who can hide in secret places
so that I cannot see them?”
declares the Lord.
“Do not I fill heaven and earth?”
declares the Lord.
(Numbers 14:21)
"But indeed, as I live, all the earth will be filled with the glory of the LORD".
If You Died Today, Would You Go To Heaven?
~ Eternity Is Too Long To Be Wrong ~
I’m not sure who you are responding to. I never asked for an explanation as to how these multitudes came to be saved; the Bible explains that clearly in the gospel of John.
You don’t come to Christ unless the Father draws you, I don’t see anywhere that changes during the Great Tribulation.
Again I can’t equate
With “it’s going to be harder to get saved in the Tribulation” Salvation isn’t something you put effort into anyway all the work was done by Christ all you have to do is respond.
Revelation 16
17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!”
18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake.
19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found.
21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.
Let me see here, 1st the cities of the nations collapsed, kind of hard to get saved when you are dead, that is if you were in those cities.
2nd if you lived on an island and it is now under the sea, kind of hared to get saved if you are dead.
3rd if you lived in the mountains and the mountains are gone, kind of hard to get saved.
4th lets say you lived through all of that and then these 100 lb hail stones start hitting the earth, kind of hard to get saved when on of those hits you.
Maybe you need to read your bible again.
Eidolon and here are a few more Rev 16:17 and severe earthquakes like never before. Earthquakes have been know to kill people. Sort of hard to get saved if you are dead.
Revelation 8:7 A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and a third of the green grass was burned up.
verse 8 The second angle sounded a trumpet and something like a huge mountain all ablase, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, (9) a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
verse 11 A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had turned bitter.
So the 1/3 of the earth getting burned just might have killed some people, hard to get saved if you are dead.
and 1/3 of the ships were destroyed, let me see a ship destroyed and if someone was on it I bet they are dead, kind of hard to get saved if you are dead.
There are many more, but you knew that.
When we get to Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast - all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
So here we have a 1/3 of the water the land and the ships, if you were in part of that third you are dead, kind of hard to get saved if you are dead.
But you knew that.
Revelation 8:7 A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and a third of the green grass was burned up.
verse 8 The second angle sounded a trumpet and something like a huge mountain all ablase, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, (9) a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
verse 11 A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had turned bitter.
So the 1/3 of the earth getting burned just might have killed some people, hard to get saved if you are dead.
and 1/3 of the ships were destroyed, let me see a ship destroyed and if someone was on it I bet they are dead, kind of hard to get saved if you are dead.
There are many more, but you knew that.
When we get to Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast - all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
So here we have a 1/3 of the water the land and the ships, if you were in part of that third you are dead, kind of hard to get saved if you are dead.
But you knew that.
Oldgrunt
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Ringo: The statement I made about the Holy Spirit being removed from the world wasn't exactly what I meant to say. The Holy Spirit, from what I read, doesn't leave the world, only his role as the Comforter which Jesus promised. These are the two sources I have read about this.
The Post Rapture Holy Spirit
Q. How does grace after the Rapture work? The Holy Spirit is removed from the Earth, so what are the conditions of being saved during that time? Do those left behind still simply have to confess and believe that the Lord died for the sins? Or is it something different? Something more?
A. While we’re on Earth the Holy Spirit is sealed inside us. At the Rapture we’ll ascend to heaven where we’ll receive our new bodies and lose our sin nature. We’ll no longer need the Holy Spirit to guide our behavior and convict us of our sin because we’ll no longer have the desire to sin. Also, we’ll already have received the inheritance the Holy Spirit was sent to guarantee. So we’ll no longer need Him for that either.
After the rapture, I think the Holy Spirit will return to Earth in a ministry similar to His Old Testament assignment. He’ll convict people of their sins and bring them to the Lord as He always has. He’ll be with believers and come upon them in power when needed, but He won’t be sealed with in them to guarantee their salvation. That blessing belongs to the Church alone. Rev. 14:12 and Rev. 16:15 give hints that post rapture salvation will be contingent upon obedience and faithfulness like it was in Old Testament times.
The Holy Spirit After The Rapture - Gracethrufaith
This reference is too long to post here so you can look it up.
Bible Question, Who are the 144,000 and the two witnesses in the Tribulation Period, and what do they do?
The Post Rapture Holy Spirit
Q. How does grace after the Rapture work? The Holy Spirit is removed from the Earth, so what are the conditions of being saved during that time? Do those left behind still simply have to confess and believe that the Lord died for the sins? Or is it something different? Something more?
A. While we’re on Earth the Holy Spirit is sealed inside us. At the Rapture we’ll ascend to heaven where we’ll receive our new bodies and lose our sin nature. We’ll no longer need the Holy Spirit to guide our behavior and convict us of our sin because we’ll no longer have the desire to sin. Also, we’ll already have received the inheritance the Holy Spirit was sent to guarantee. So we’ll no longer need Him for that either.
After the rapture, I think the Holy Spirit will return to Earth in a ministry similar to His Old Testament assignment. He’ll convict people of their sins and bring them to the Lord as He always has. He’ll be with believers and come upon them in power when needed, but He won’t be sealed with in them to guarantee their salvation. That blessing belongs to the Church alone. Rev. 14:12 and Rev. 16:15 give hints that post rapture salvation will be contingent upon obedience and faithfulness like it was in Old Testament times.
The Holy Spirit After The Rapture - Gracethrufaith
This reference is too long to post here so you can look it up.
Bible Question, Who are the 144,000 and the two witnesses in the Tribulation Period, and what do they do?
In the book of Revelation there are described large earthquakes larger than ever before. So large that islands and mountains are gone.
Here is a short list of some earthquakes in our past, note the deaths from these small quakes compared to what will happen after the rapture.
Shensi, China, Jan. 23, 1556 Magnitude about 8, about 830,000 deaths.
Tangshan, China, July 27, 1976 Magnitude 7.5. Official casualty figure is 255,000 deaths. Estimated death toll as high as 655,000.
Aleppo, Syria, Aug. 9, 1138 Magnitude not known, about 230,000 deaths.
Sumatra, Indonesia, Dec. 26, 2004 Magnitude 9.1, 227,898 deaths.
Haiti, Jan 12, 2010 Magnitude 7.0. According to official estimates, 222,570 people killed.
Here is a short list of some earthquakes in our past, note the deaths from these small quakes compared to what will happen after the rapture.
Shensi, China, Jan. 23, 1556 Magnitude about 8, about 830,000 deaths.
Tangshan, China, July 27, 1976 Magnitude 7.5. Official casualty figure is 255,000 deaths. Estimated death toll as high as 655,000.
Aleppo, Syria, Aug. 9, 1138 Magnitude not known, about 230,000 deaths.
Sumatra, Indonesia, Dec. 26, 2004 Magnitude 9.1, 227,898 deaths.
Haiti, Jan 12, 2010 Magnitude 7.0. According to official estimates, 222,570 people killed.
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And what book would you be quoting from?
Here is a link for the earthquake list.
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And what book would you be quoting from?
Here is a link for the earthquake list.
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XD40scinNC
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Short answer: Not out of a book of absurd fairy tales written in times of vast ignorance about the real world.
Earthquakes happen, get your head out of your fairy tales written by men that thought the sun was carried across the sky in a chariot and study geology and plate tectonics's and you might understand that (I would be more likely to win the power-ball lottery) but hey it could happen.
The book of common sense, the reality that live evolved on this rock, with no guarantee that the ability to survive here. Man, and possibly all life will cease to be able to exist on this rock at some point, but your imaginary friend doesn't have a damn thing to do with that.
A meteor/asteroid/comet the size of Kansas is out there has our name on it, the only question is when, and man nor their imaginary friends can do a damn thing about it, that just life in a shooting gallery we call the solar system. Or perhaps a microbe will evolve that totally decimate all life, again, that life when evolution is the rule and bible magic is pure unadulterated bull excrement.
I'm good with all that, that is reality. No guarantee's, no fairy tale endings.
What really pisses me off is stupid fear mongering about the this absolutely assassin bull crap about some invisible, and very unpleasant bastard you worship randomly killing 100's of thousands people in these events as a warning. How effing stupid can you be to believe that crap? You have also possibly taught your children this nonsense, and I consider that child abuse, to cripple your children with a life long irrational fear about an irrational mythical bastard.
Finally please note that I didn't say earthquakes don't happen, but your god, nor any god doesn't have a damn thing to do with them.
Ringo
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An atheists only hope is that there is no afterlife, their greatest fear is that there is...."It Is Appointed Unto Men Once To Die, But After This The JUDGMENT". :victory:
~ In HELL Everyone Is A Believer...It's Just Too Late ~
Farmhood
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Sin whispers to the wicked, deep within their hearts. They have no fear of God at all. In their blind conceit, they cannot see how wicked they really are. Everything they say is crooked and deceitful. They refuse to act wisely or do good. They lie awake at night, hatching sinful plots. Their actions are never good. They make no attempt to turn from evil.
Sounds like.....
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
Sounds like.....
sinful nature is always hostile to God....
XD40scinNC
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Then the totally clueless chime in with more of their ignorance that can only be derived from ancient fear of people from times of great ignorance.
When you meet your god, ask him how he justifies giving innocent children horrible diseases such as bone cancer or brain cancer. Children who have harmed no one. Ask that bastard to justify such insane actions.
Or you will just be dead, just like the cockroach you killed in your kitchen.
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