Saiga Shotguns

[OldOwl]

Oh boy. This is what I get for making sure I spend my money wisely. While cruising you tube and websites making sure I'm going to like and keep this gun, I discover the .308 Saiga rifle. :man_in_love: Now I don't know which one I want first. :biggrin:

 

[lifegard]

I'll make you a price on both if you like

Here is a link to one we have done for several people.

Saiga .308 308 21.8" barrel RAA LNIB Custom Mod : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com

The .308 is a heavy gun and an accurate shooter as AK's go. At least this one with a 21.8" barrel.
One of my clients who bought the one in the link said it was the first time he thought he got his money's worth in a gun.
Now he tells me that he is sending me his Saiga 12ga. for us to work our magic on it.

Send me an Email @ [email protected] and I'll send you some pics of Saigas that we have converted.

 

[OldOwl]

Damn. I think I drooled on my keyboard. :man_in_love: We're going to need a Gun Porn section here soon. Thanks, but I'm grasping at straws here to buy ONE. I had $1,100 tucked away for an AR, and then while assachusetts was taking FOUR MONTHS to renew my permit so I could buy it, the wife decided we needed a new furnace more than another gun. Priorities all screwed up. I could have kept patching that old boiler ANOTHER 10 years easily.

Reading their forums, am I right that the 308's require a lot more mods, upkeep, and preventative maintenance than the 12 Ga? Seems like these are complicated animals with the import restrictions and corrections, especially in assachusetts and Mexifornia.

Which is best "out of the box"? I think these guns are going to put a hurting on the AR market as they catch on more, especially if the prices remain in place.

 

[lifegard]

Actually the .308 needs fewer mods to make it a great gun.
Just moving the FCG forward and adding a PG. A new stock and fore grip can always be added later.

The 12ga. is however more fun in my opinion for "just blowing things up".
Also it benifits more from the polishing and spring change routine than the 308. And everyone who fires the Saiga 12 ga. after it's been worked on, will want one. Gun envy sets in.

Out of the box the .308 will work great. The 12ga out of the box will be pickier about the ammo it shoots.

I started with a 12ga for myself, then I converted it, than I bought a 7.62x39 and converted that, then a .308. then another 12 ga.
But I have to say I like my 7.62x39 more than my Armalite AR-or any other AR I've owned.

 

[Badman400]

Say hello to my leetle friends. :biggrin:

 

[vettefreak]

Everything I have been hearing about these is that they will be added to the ban list come tomorrow, 24 Jan 11 and they are completely sold out with in a 100 mile radius of me...I got one of the last ones....

So I don't know if I want to shoot mine and keep it as a toy, or just leave it alone and not fire it and use it as an investment piece and sell it for $$$$$ in a few years....

 

[RWGN]

I have one and getting ready to buy another.

"Saiga-12 Shotgun w/JPoint Reflex Sighting System, Tactical Quad Rail System + Rail Guard, Tactical Collapsing Stock"

It works great...

 

[sassedbygov]

Anyone here own a Saiga shotgun??

Opinions? Impressions?

For a while now I've toyed with the idea of getting one for recreational purposes...wreaking havoc on inanimate objects, killing rabid watermelons, etc.

Of all that I own, it's the only one that required a name, but not on purpose. It just came out of my mouth as I got to know her for the first time. Without warning, "What a Mean Russian B*tch!" just came out of my mouth, and it stuck.

Out of the box, broke it all the way down, cleaned it, put a rail attachment and a 2 MOA Barska red dot sight, and a US copy of the Russian bird cage.. No recoil pad.

Dead on balls accurate at 100 yards with Winchester 1 oz. rifled slug 15 round packs from Wally's. After sight adjustments... Took six 2" black bulls eye sticky's on six sheets of 8x11 white paper at 100. Erases the black, leaves all the white. The red dot made it surgical.

The heavy weight and semi-auto action absorb a lot of recoil, but I'll still add a rubber just to cover the hard plastic.

Not enough rounds through to test reliability, but it's a "go to war" tool and I expect it to be reliable.

Not a home defense SG... no CQB abilities at all. It's like swinging a sledge hammer around your house.

$583 including tax, AK style side rail mount $35, Barska 2 MOA red dot $75. US copy of the Russian 3" bird cage $35.

Will not fit in a 42" hard case with the bird cage.

She's a keeper for me. But I may change her name to Natasha because it's a family range. Good luck!

 

[lifegard]

Pussycat

These guns have been the most fun of all my guns and you're right--they do require a name.
Mostly because if not treated right they can be tempermental.

All mine have been converted by my company and myself since we do it for a living and they are entirely different guns once done.
Added a 4th port, reworked the FCG as well as the bolt and carrier along with the extractor and the gun has become a dream, Eats anything, low brass, high brass, slugs.
Almost a pussycat and the tempermental-ness all gone.

We have 30 in stock if anyone is interested. There is nothing quite like firing a 12ga. as fast as you can humanly pull the trigger.

I'll try to get some pics up here soon.

 

[fudo]

I bought mine when they first started to be imported. I found it to be slow to change mags and very unwieldy. My Ithaca 37 loaded with 8 rounds is much faster and more easily manipulated. The butt is too small and narrow also.

 

[lifegard]

After the work we do on them and the addition of a Magwell--they load just like an AR and fast. That's why a LOT of IPSC gunners use them.
Also 20 round mags saves them time in the contests.
There is nothing like them. Out of the box it's another story.

 

[SC Tiger]

Say hello to my leetle friends. :biggrin:

What on earth is that on the gun on the right? It looks like something from a vampire movie!

 

[lifegard]

That is a Porcupine style bayonet by another company--Chaos. They no longer make it. It retracts when not needed--as if it's ever needed.

 

[sassedbygov]

If you plan to get one, get it soon. The Russian American Armory importer of Saiga 12 has lost their import license. There will be a new importer once the current stock runs out. My FFL called the distributor, and was told that the next importer will raise the price by $150 right out of the gate. I wanted one of these 2 years when they were just $375. I just paid $550 plus tax for mine here in sunny cold CT.

I won't be using mine right away. I plan to smith and smooth out all the guts to make it flow with low go ammo.

Tried to find Saiga 5 round factory mags, but they seem to be the most scarce. 8 and 12 round mags no prob, 12 and 20 round drums are available. I'd just like one more 5 round mag... If I can't get it done with 10x12G, I may need to use plan B

Range report:

Flawless out of the box, dead on balls accurate with a 2moa Barska red dot. 1oz rifled slugs make a 2 inch hole through the bullseye at 100 yards at a rest. Recoil is manageable with the original butt stock. Poured through about 100 rounds of slugs from 1oz to 1 1/2 oz. Alternated between the 5 round factory and a 10 round SG. No failures of any kind.

It's a keeper

 

[lifegard]

Try some low brass target loads and see if it's just as reliable. They rarely are but sometimes you get lucky.
We make them handle with all types of ammo not just the easy stuff like slugs and high brass.

 

[Fuzz]

I would sure like to have one.I have been out of the loop for awhile so wondering it they are indeed on the Ban list.thanks

 

[lifegard]

They are not on the ban list--yet.

We have them in stock @694 + 35 SH/Hand.
And we do conversions on them as well.

 

[P220]

These are Kalishnakov based guns with a gas driven piston. They were designed originally for war so run best with High Brass ammo.

However we sell, shoot and convert these guns so that they have the FCG moved forward, new stocks and pistol grips, polished internals and different recoil and hammer springs. When we are done they are just as reliable with low brass and bird shot. And are full 922R compliant.
There are tons of add ons for these guns, brakes that will reduce felt recoil by 15%, all manner of rails, stocks and fore grips.

They are extremely reliable guns and a lot of fun. After we do what we do, it is an entirely different gun then what comes out of the box when it comes to eating any ammo that you put into it and even the charging is smoother. We grind down the bolt and carrier and polish all friction surfaces so that it will load on a closed bolt, reshape and polish the hammer and lower the trigger pull.
We'll sell them for $474.00 stock to members of CCR plus SH of $30.00 and we have 20 round drums for $86.00 delivered by the most reliable drum maker in the business. These are 2nd gen drums. These are guns right from the factory before we perform the optional services on them.
The changes that we do can run between a few hundred and 1200 depending on the options chosen.

We will also sell you the parts should you be a DIY type.
We also sell a fair amount of the Saiga .308 as well in 21.8" barrel. $459.00 plus $ 35.00 SH
Any questions leave a message here and I'll try to answer them. Better yet leave me a PM.

[/SIZE]This is exactly what one of my buddies had done to his.

When purchased stock, out of the box, was a great gun, yet jammed periodically with certain ammo. He asked around, and after saving the money needed, he shipped it off to New Mexico, to have have it rebuilt, and customized.

He had to wait a month for everything to be finished, but once he got it back. Well, it is now a beefy, mean, flawless, ammo eating machine.:biggrin:

If you want a semi-auto shotgun, that takes magazines, and drums. I'd recommend. Especially, If you've got the money to get it torn apart, and dialed in by a competent gunsmith.

 

[Fuzz]

Thanks all.Gotta sell the HK P9s first.

 

[gun papa]

I just finished finally refinishing the Saiga 12 Shotgun I converted years ago. Gloss black Alumahyde and over a month cure time. I bought mine early in the game at $269 or $299 from CDNN.