Excuse me? Im not on the forum as nuch as I use to be, did the winds change? For a couple years I basically lived on this forum and NEVER saw an OC chastise a CC without being provoked first. Mostly I saw anti OCs start threads about why CC is better or OC is bad.
Take a closer look. Most of the full-time OCers seem to be offended that somebody would choose CC over OC. Their venom is quite palpable. Makes me wonder about their true motivations for OCing. Like an old playwrite once said (sorta) - Methinks they doth protest too much.
I believe Navy LCDR already answered it for me, and very well I might add. :biggrin:Gonna answer my question, Al? The one about your "not 100%" comment.
Again, thanks in advance.
Whether you OC or CC, doesn't matter to me. Don't try to tell me my choice is wrong, and I won't do the same to you.Take a closer look. Most of the full-time OCers seem to be offended that somebody would choose CC over OC. Their venom is quite palpable. Makes me wonder about their true motivations for OCing. Like an old playwrite once said (sorta) - Methinks they doth protest too much.
Whether you OC or CC, doesn't matter to me. Don't try to tell me my choice is wrong, and I won't do the same to you.
NavyLCDR:224697 said:Whether you OC or CC, doesn't matter to me. Don't try to tell me my choice is wrong, and I won't do the same to you.
I would not say we tell them their choice is wrong. We just tell them why their excuses they use to tell us we are wrong don't hold water or pass any common sense check.
I think we've been trying that. So far, they don't listen to that either.I would not say we tell them their choice is wrong. We just tell them why their excuses they use to tell us we are wrong don't hold water or pass any common sense check.
I believe Navy LCDR already answered it for me, and very well I might add. :biggrin:
Whether you OC or CC, doesn't matter to me. Don't try to tell me my choice is wrong, and I won't do the same to you.
As NavyLCDR already explained, "Because the reality is when open carrying one must remain alert for the anti-gun cop, or the CC only raver who is going to wet themselves at the opportunity to hassle a law abiding citizen."Sorry Al, but I've been skipping over his posts for quite some time now. Are you afraid to answer the question yourself?? Remember.....you said "There are times when I prefer to conceal. Usually when I don't feel 100%, and there fore don't think I'll be as alert as I should be when I OC."
Why do you need to be more alert when OCing as opposed to CCing?? Do you find that OCing has an added element of danger that CCing doesn't?? If you could please clarify this for me otherwise I'll have to believe that you've put your foot in your mouth and betrayed your true feelings.
Eagerly awaiting your answer.
When did I ever say YOU must OC? So far as I recall, I've only responded to the myths people use to try to convince me and "others of my ilk" (what is an "ilk" anyway?) that OCing is too dangerous, or provocative, or whatever. I don't go into the CC forum and start picking at those that CC, cause I CC on occasion myself. In fact, I started out CCing when I first my my CPL.I've never told you or any OCer that their choice is wrong for them.....only wrong for me. You and your ilk can hardly say the same.
Still waiting for you to explain your statement where you said you need to be more alert for OC than for CC.
As NavyLCDR already explained, "Because the reality is when open carrying one must remain alert for the anti-gun cop, or the CC only raver who is going to wet themselves at the opportunity to hassle a law abiding citizen."
I'll also just add, it's only prudent to be more alert when OCing, as opposed to CCing. Some might say you should be alert at all times. There are places, where that's necessary, regardless of your method of carry, and there are places where you don't really need to be all that alert. You should know yourself, where and when you are in either area.
No, I do not OC 100% of the time. I have relatives who are as rabidly anti-gun as Sarah Brady. If I visit their house, I conceal. There are other situations, but I'm sure everyone has their own situations where concealing is preferable to OCing. It generally has more to do with not upsetting the hoplophobes, than anything else.
And, in the Winter time, I generally CC, since my coat usually covers my weapon, until I get to where I'm going. And I don't like to use thigh holsters.
To quote Han Solo "[BAM] Boring conversation anyway."Weak, Al. Weak, weak, weak.
"Alert for the anti-gun cop or the CC only raver"??? Why, do they carry signs saying that they're anti-gun or anti-OC, thereby allowing you to quickly cover your pistol before they can harass you?? No, they don't....so there's no way for you to know the difference between those who care and those who don't.
In the "10 Reasons For Open Carry" thread you said:
"I've OCed since about 2009, 99.5% of the time, NO ONE notices my gun. Which is sort of hard to figure, since I generally carry a full size semi-Auto pistol, like this one.
In the 3 or so years I've been OCing, I've only been "hassled" one time, by a greeter at Meijer's, whom I have passed many times before while OCing, and he finally noticed my gun that day."
Is that why you need to be more alert while OCing....store greeters?? Do you get up in the morning and say "I don't feel too well....I better CC today 'casue the old guy at Walmart might challenge me"?? Is that what you're talking about when you speak of a need to be more alert when OCing???
Somehow I don't think so. You're "Yeah yeah that's it...that's the ticket....that's what I meant" response is a bit feeble to say the least. Not sure why you're so afraid to "come out of the closet" and just admit to what so many other realize - that sometimes OCing is more dangerous than CCing and that appropriate steps should be taken in such instances. Admit it, Al. After all....you pretty much already have with your "not 100% statement".
Ohhhhhh....so now you CC even more than you let on to earlier! Why would you give up all of your so-called advantages just because the weather is cold?? Lots of cold weather in Michigan, huh? During the winter do the BGs rob people and places by saying something like "I have a gun under my coat and if you don't give me all your money I'm going to unbutton it and take my pistol out"?? Is that what they do? BGs don't hibernate, do they Al? I'm sure you can buy a belt long enough go around the outside of your jacket, thereby allowing you to attach a holster and still OC no matter what the weather. Heck, there are plenty of winter jackets that already have an exterior belt built-in! Why not use one of those instead of spending months having to give up all the advantages of OCing??
You're going around in circles, Al.....contradicting yourself and making rather dubious statements.
To quote Han Solo "[BAM] Boring conversation anyway."
Here in Mi. we have the option either way. I choose to CC 100%. Until the average citizen can accept OC & not point & stare or freak out, I'll continue to CC.Wish things were different, but for now I just don't feel the need to OC. Maybe I'm blind to it, but I'm out & about alot, & I've only seen 2 OCer's. Both of them looked like gangsta's. Badly dressed, unkept,etc. If that's the image most folks see, no wonder there's such a paranoid response to OC. Not saying all OCer's are like that.
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