oh wow!

Cotillion said:

It's amazing how twisted things can get over the internet without immediately being able to retort with words. I guess you woulda just had to have been there. This whole elitist thing makes me lol, I'm anti everything. I can't stand the hoops we need to jump through and state regulation is retarded. I simply looked over at a grown man twisting a pistol around and pictured a 13 year old playing with his dads gun and he ends up blowing his face off. I'm glad he bought a gun, he looks like the type of guy who would shoot a crack head for coming on his lawn but in the interest of self preservation he should have forked out the 35 bucks and went to the same class I did

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I didn't intend to imply that you were anti-anything. I was merely reminding you that the 2nd Amendment applies to everyone - even the apparent bozos. A prudent man will buy a pistol when he's able. A *smart* man will learn to use said pistol safely and appropriately. In the absence of amplifying information, we must then assume the man is at least prudent.

I happen to agree with some of the others that there is some good info available on the internet regarding safety, and usage for pretty much any firearm you might care to mention. We can only hope that, at the very least, he seeks out this info, or better, consults a qualified firearms instructor.

In my own case, I was a relatively good shot, and then I found a couple of videos on youtube that helped me to improve my technique to the point that I can more-often-than-not make a double-tap head shot as far away as 25 yards with my 1911. I'd say that's a pretty decent ROI on youtube.

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Cotillion said:

Wow you're right. Thinking someone who obviously can't safety handle a hand cannon shouldn't own one without proper training is just like socialism! I need to keep my eliteism in check, sorry bros and gals. I wonder when they next thread with a link of some idiot hurting himself with a firearm can be posted so the exact same people here can go post the exact same thing I just said and you argued

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Until I joined the Navy, I'd never held a 1911. Does that mean I should never have been given the chance? If the guy's a citizen, and he can otherwise legally possess the weapon, I say more power too him. Sure, I (and everyone else here) hope he gets some training, but training isn't a prerequisite to keep and bear arms, at least it's not specified in the copy of the Constitution that I'm looking at right now.

Look at it this way - at least he bought a manly pistol, and not some limp-wrist 9mm...

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Ouch, stop, you're bending my wrist too much!!
I hope he learns safe handling before loading the gun.

I handled my first real gun when I was 17. The seargent did a pretty good job of making sure that I didn't do anything too stupid. Of course, we were only issued rifles, not being officers and all.
Fast forward to when I was about 24 and decided to get my first handgun. I went to the library, checked out some books (Big things made of tree products with lots of instant pictures and words. Amazing things!), and read everything I could about handguns. I spent about a year researching and finally bought a Ruger Security-six. I asked the salesman to show me all he could, then I proceeded the woods to teach myself to shoot.
Well, 35 years later I'm still shooting. Haven't killed or maimed anyone, or myself. Have taught many others to shoot. And am still learning new things about guns and shooting.
I guess the moral is-don't be too hard on others-remember, you had to take that first shot at one time too.

Maybe he is buying the gun for a class.

I've lived in this old world for so many years I sometimes forget. I've been using revolvers for at least the last 50 or maybe 60 years. I decided to try the new flat guns and went to the gun shop the other day and asked to see four different pistols I looked up on the internet. The clerk placed them on the counter after first going thru the checking process. I watched what he did but I'm a little slow. I picked up a Glock 27 and just stood there looking at it trying to figure how to close the slide. Now that makes me pretty stupid doesn't it. I don't reckon I have the skills to own or use a handgun cause I didn't right away know how to release the slide of that particular pistol. And as it turned out, after two hours in the range with my adult daughter I bought two of those flat guns; a Ruger .380 and that Glock 27 I had trouble with. Maybe I'm a threat to society cause I didn't know how to release the slide when I first looked at it.
I learned long ago never to judge a man without walking in his shoes. I may have been there when that tramp walked in and bought that Corvette cause that's what my client did just to piss off the salesmen at the Chevy dealership. My friend decided to try a flat gun and walked in and bought a 1911 45 in about the same manner as this customer did. My friend holds title as the best with a handgun (revolvers)for several years.
How about we ease off and let live and not criticize the other guy until we walk in his shoes. JMHO

Sounds a bit like a guy who went into an auto dealers yard and couldn't figure out how to start the car he was interested in. Once the salesman showed him how he was away. It seems to me that guns and cars are just examples of tools. I can't say that I've known how to operate every tool before I bought it - that doesn't mean I shouldn't get it though!

Hey codger, if it makes you feel any better, given the chance I'd take your drivers license too.

Cotillion said:

It's amazing how twisted things can get over the internet without immediately being able to retort with words. I guess you woulda just had to have been there. This whole elitist thing makes me lol, I'm anti everything. I can't stand the hoops we need to jump through and state regulation is retarded. I simply looked over at a grown man twisting a pistol around and pictured a 13 year old playing with his dads gun and he ends up blowing his face off. I'm glad he bought a gun, he looks like the type of guy who would shoot a crack head for coming on his lawn but in the interest of self preservation he should have forked out the 35 bucks and went to the same class I did

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Who are you? And what did you do with the Cotillion who posted this?:

Cotillion said:

Flame me all you want but I strongly believe everyone should have to do a minimum 4 hour class, preferably 8+ though. If you can't find the slide release you don't need to own a gun

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You posted two conflicting statements. I think your just prejudiced against big 'ole .45s....

defender829 said:

Ouch, stop, you're bending my wrist too much!!
I hope he learns safe handling before loading the gun.

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I'm still trying to figure out what the gun buyer did that was unsafe?

Right NavyLCDR, I was maybe wrongfully assuming he did not know how to safely handle this gun. I never said he actually did anything wrong.

So apparently, unless you are "qualified" to own a certain item, your access to that item should be regulated, and the government should be doing the regulating. Is that what I'm hearing? So guns, obviously, right. But let's take this logic a little farther. What about reloading equipment and supplies? Goodness, someone could hurt themselves! What about alcoholic beverages? Or tobacco? Do I need a class before I buy those? And aerosol canisters, those are dangerous. And knives, and pokey things too. And flammable liquids! Ah! And matches! Ooooh, and really hot peppers! Sheesh! The whole world is dangerous! Does anyone know a government sponsored clam digging instructor?

What you are ultimately suggesting is that people are too stupid to know or learn for themselves what is best for their own welfare (except you of course) and that the government exists to fill that role, to save the people from themselves. Such has been the basis of many a socialist regime, including the one ruling our country right now. It sickens me to see people espousing their own subjugation. Because in the end, Cotillion, it will be you as well.

He who is willing to sacrifice a little liberty for a little security deserves neither and will lose both.

Had a police officer during a traffic stop unable to clear my colt due to slide safety, explained it to him prior to his shooting himself or wife, but in purchasing a gun you have the right to do so, clerk did explain and you have no idea if the person purchasing the weapon did not go and seek training. When ever I handle a new gun even if it is one I am very familiar with I like to go over safety as a simple reminder, never hurt.

An 8 hour class cannot POSSIBLY cover safe operating procedures on every firearm. Likewise, it's overkill to require even 4 hours on operating a single firearm that you're buying.

I'd like to see every dealer take purchasers aside for at least 15 minutes of handling procedures for each purchase: load/unload/clear/cleaning breakdown. But when you get in to requiring training, the devil will be in the details. And should someone really have to go through such a class with every purchase? You're adding $$$ to the purchase price at that point.

Well, every gun is a little bit different. Mine doesn't even have a slide release. How stupid would I look trying to figure that out at the sales counter?

Shoulda seen me when I got my first tank shift motorcycle about 20 yrs ago after 25 yrs of riding experience.. Throw in left hand throttle and a sidecar for good measure. Didn't stop me. Now I have 14 antiques with varying types of shift and throttle positions. I don't even have to lock them when I'M out, no one knows how to drive them, (Except other antique idiots) NO PROBLEM!

Bandwagons are fun!

I would not want to be anywhere around,or near that guy. Poeple like him give us responcible gun owners a bad rap. He will probably end up shooting himself,or evem worse somebody standing near him. SCARY!!!!!!!!!

trophyhunter said:

I would not want to be anywhere around,or near that guy. Poeple like him give us responcible gun owners a bad rap. He will probably end up shooting himself,or evem worse somebody standing near him. SCARY!!!!!!!!!

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SERIOUSLY? Tell you what... go find yourself a Hakim rifle and play with that and let's see how proficient you appear to be. So, then we should say the same thing about you. Good grief it's not like the guy pointed the gun at someone in the gun store and dry fired the gun...

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Cotillion said:

Hey codger, if it makes you feel any better, given the chance I'd take your drivers license too.

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Sonny I don't know what your problem is but I think you are way out of line.. If you can't intelligently debate a topic or sit back and let other people have opinions also maybe you better lock yourself in your room and grow up a little bit. JMHO

Iam2Taz said:

Cot - Give it a rest...
Maybe, his best friend has one. Maybe, he is used to revolvers. Maybe, wants to learn and was told a big ole .45 was the way to go. Maybe, he just wanted one because BO thinks he can take em away and he is casting his vote! I don't know. Bottom line... it is HIS RIGHT to keep and bear arms. SHTF and you might be standin next to him as he knocks off a BG and you'll be thinking, "Now where did I see that guy?" Oh yeah.... He did know how to close the slide! Looks like he figured it out!

I saw an ole boy who looked like he couldn't buy a cup of coffee, pull 48,k out of pocket and pay cash for a vette. (That was 20 years ago.) Weird stuff happens every day.

Not everyone is an expert like you. You could have made conversation with the guy about his new weapon and helped him instead of making fun of him.

You are right about one thing... Flamed for class time! I get a little irritated at self-righteous people who want to make rules for everyone. - Sounds too much like socialism / communism.

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Amen, amen, and amen!