Newbie, with perhaps an odd question.

CrazedChris

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Hello, I am a new cc permit holder in Mo. :) My question is, the first time you carried concealed, did you carry loaded, or did you carry unloaded to get a feel for it first? I am wanting to carry unloaded first to get used to it, and try out different holsters, which I have none of yet. :P But at the same time, it seems silly to even ask that.

Also, does anyone have experience with the Versacarry II holder? It seems interesting.
 
Great question.
Practice, practice, practice...lots of range time.
Practice safety, practice shooting and practice cleaning and handling.
Also learning here and from publications CC-ing on your property first, for an extended time, is very helpful.
 
Thanks. Once I can get a holster I like, I plan on wearing it around the house and property to get used to it. And practice. :)
 
I was kind of uncomfortable with hands guns when I first got mine. I have been around and my whole life but handguns we're just different. For the first couple days after I got it I whore it around the house unloaded just to get comfortable with having it on me and trying to decide where and how I wanted to carry. My husband made fun of me constantly but the more I held it and carried it the more comfortable I got with it and I wanted to make sure that I was fully comfortable with it before I started carrying it loaded and in public. So in my opinion definitely not a stupid question.
 
If you feel uneasy to carry, don't. Do what you need to do to protect yourself, OR DON'T. Carrying an unloaded weapon is nothing more then carrying a piece of steal on your belt. What are you going to do if you need to draw that piece of steal without any rounds in it? Kind of like a carpenter with a hammer but no nails. If you don't feel right about protecting yourself, why did you feel the need to arm yourself? Why did you feel the need to post on this site? Jus saying.......
 
If you feel uneasy to carry, don't. Do what you need to do to protect yourself, OR DON'T. Carrying an unloaded weapon is nothing more then carrying a piece of steal on your belt. What are you going to do if you need to draw that piece of steal without any rounds in it? Kind of like a carpenter with a hammer but no nails. If you don't feel right about protecting yourself, why did you feel the need to arm yourself? Why did you feel the need to post on this site? Jus saying.......

I will try to address this very rudely toned post as nicely as possible. It is not that I feel uneasy, I am NEW to it. I have no holster yet, as you can see by my first post. I am a person that will study any new thing in my life so that I am confident with any aspect of it, not just jumping headfirst into an unfamiliar situation. I see carrying an unloaded weapon no different than having no protection at all, except that I am "training" for the next step. Just as a runner would not break in a new pair of running shoes during a 10k, I am familiarizing myself with it.

I feel completely fine with protecting and arming myself. Every armed and prepared citizen is one less victim. I'm sorry if going at it in an intelligent way as opposed to an ignorant flippant way offends you. I take a gun seriously, so my approach to carrying one is serious.

I felt the need and want to post on this site because that is what the site is here for. To talk to and learn from others with similar interests. I am a woman with a gun, therefore I posted in the Women & Guns section. You asked why I felt the need to post on this sight, I ask why you felt the need to be rude, unhelpful and insulting?
 
Its not so much that I fell "uneasy to carry", it is that I had not handled handguns enough to be comfortable enough to carry one. I wanted to carry, but I also wanted to carry safely. If I was not comfortable with the gun (because of not ever using them) then it was not safe for me to carry. The more I handled the gun and practiced, the more familiar and more comfortable I became with the gun. Not everyone was raised around guns or have been handling them for years. Just because it may take others longer to become more comfortable with them, but does not mean that they should just not carry.
 
CrazedChris, please pay no attention to the discourteous person called mappow.

Not an odd question at all. I hope you have taken some good training classes, or plan to. Your instructor can help you choose a good holster to start with. As you train and practice, you may change your mind more than once... which is why most of us have a box of old holsters. LOL

It is an excellent idea to carry your firearm unloaded at first, around the house and maybe outside as well. You will need to practice your draw and reholster with an unloaded gun for some time before you will be comfortable/safe to do that with it loaded. Trust me!

I have been carrying for many years now, both CC and OC, and I recently got a new CC rig. I carried the gun in it around the house unloaded for several days, practicing my draw, before I took it to town.

I have written a small book to supplement the material in the handgun and self defense classes I teach. The first chapter is the story of the man I had to shoot to save my life. I will be glad to send that book to anyone who asks for it. Email mamaliberty at rtconnect dot net Just replace the at and dot with appropriate symbols and eliminate the spaces. Type "self defense" in the subject line so your message will go into the proper filter.
 
The choice to arm yourself is a HUGE responsibility and not one to be taken lightly. I commend you for taking the steps to be armed.
I was in your exact shoes when I began carrying but for me, there was no forum of like minded people to ask questions of.
I did not carry with one in the chamber at first because the reality and seriousness of my firearm was a scary proposition.
I had to get "used" to the fact that this piece of metal on my hip was capable of taking someone's life.
It took me a while but as I learned and became more familiar with my weapon, I eventually carried it loaded.

It's different with everyone. Some are more comfortable right off the bat carrying a fully loaded gun. I was not.
Do what makes you feel comfortable as you get used to carrying.
 
No Silly (odd) Question.

Hello Chris, welcome to the forum. We have some participants here that are a little less that tactful (being polite), sorry. :wacko:
I have spent the greater part of my life training people to do what is right for their job and I always explain one very simple fact right off. The only silly/stupid question there can be, is the one you don't ask. Because it remains unanwsered and you remain uneducated. There are plenty of participants on this forum who are willing to help you become better acquainted and proficient with your new challenge. :biggrin:
You have to be comfortable with what you are doing when you leave the house, this will take practice and time, be patient and open minded as you look for materials that will help you with the responsibilites that you have decided to accept so you can protect you and yours.
Good luck and be safe.
 
Chris;

Everyone has their own opinion on the subject. When I first got my CC permit, I would carry around the house all day until I was comfortable. I would practice my draw and re-holstering many times each day. For the first two or three days when I would carry outside, away from the house I would have a full mag loaded in the gun, but the chamber was empty, this way I still had the full weight of the gun to continue to get used to.

Bottom line, as many people have said, do what is best and comfortable for you
 
Hello, I am a new cc permit holder in Mo. :) My question is, the first time you carried concealed, did you carry loaded, or did you carry unloaded to get a feel for it first? I am wanting to carry unloaded first to get used to it, and try out different holsters, which I have none of yet. :P But at the same time, it seems silly to even ask that.

Also, does anyone have experience with the Versacarry II holder? It seems interesting.

It's pretty normal for the average person to feel a bit nervous about carrying around a loaded handgun if they are not used to it...When I first started concealed carrying I admit that I also felt the same way. This training video (and other such videos) should help you to quickly change your mind about not having a round in the chamber imvho.


If you have a quality sidearm and a good holster plus a decent amount of experience with your personal sidearm, you can rest assured that the weapon 'will not' discharge on it's own.

Welcome aboard and stay safe out there.
 
Hey CrazedChris,

i second mamaliberty- you'll find that this forum is just like any general population out there- just bc this is a gun community- does not mean everyone will treat you as a friend- and best to do, is to ignore politely, and KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS. you will be the one with the most to gain.

You did not mention what kind of gun you're carrying- and what action is it? Heres a few points i'm trying to make, and its IMHO and only refers to semiautomatics, and i will use my own guns as examples- these focus on, a more serious question- which follows the decision of carrying a loaded gun- which is- the decision whether to carry a loaded gun with a chambered round or not.

I own a compact Kimber 1911, 45ACP. This is a SA (single action)- for the purposes of applying only what is relevant to this thread only- SA is a relatively light trigger pull (compared to DA aka double action)- And its hammer action (which you cock by hand on SA). With something like a 1911, a matter of carrying loaded- will also direct you towards three "conditions" in which you can carry it in. The most "ready to go" condition, is Condition 1: "cocked and locked" This is a chambered rd, and hammer cocked. The locked part is a thumb safety that is located near the slide, and very ergonomically placed. Condition 2: chambered rd, but not cocked. Bc its not cocked, therefore, it will not "thumb lock" so- when drawing, you cock. Condition 3: Chamber empty and not cocked. So, when drawing, racking the slide will both chamber a rd and cock. Most will say that this condition leaves you the most vulnerable, due to the racking action. Edit* also, another safety a 1911 has is a grip safety... meaning, there's a raised area/button behind the grip- and it must be depressed, in order for the gun to fire.

Then you have DAO guns (these are double action only)- from what i know... i dont think these are exposed hammer action- they are mostly striker fired- which means that a spring hits the firing pin instead of a hammer- and thus, the action is hidden.... aka what the back of a glock looks like- or hidden hammer- which you can not manually cock, and the firing pin is not as exposed. My Ruger LC9-LM is a DAO with hidden hammer. in terms of its safety... i love this gun. thumb lockable, Double action, means a heavier trigger pull (6 lbs and up, IMO). So in real life, it means if the trigger gets caught in something... it takes more force/pressure to make the trigger happen- than a SA. Alot of people dislike the LC9's long trigger pull (which is different than a heavy pull)- but I feel that its long trigger pull makes it even a safer EDC (every day carry) CCW. My LC9 has a loaded chamber indicator. and a VERY noticeable one at that- Some products claim their gun has one- but its VERY hard to see. On the LC9- its a piece of metal that sticks up a couple millimeters. This has its ups and downs. the down is... despite the LC9's ultra smoothed edges... this indicator might be snag worthy- but the fact that it indicates so prominently, that it is loaded... makes the feature completely worth it. It also has a mag release lock (i forget exactly what its called)- but basically- if the mag isn't inserted, then the gun won't fire- regardless- loaded, unloaded, locked or unlocked. (Sometimes, i will have my LC9, with a chambered rd, and unlocked- so its all ready to go, under my pillow, and the mag, i keep on my nightstand. Therefore, the gun will not fire unless mag is inserted.) And lastly, no exposed firing pin - puts extra comfort in my mind.

Then i have a FNX-9, which is too big for CCW but i will just mention its DA/SA & its decocker- its a hammer action. If you don't cock it, it will be DA on the first pull- and its a heavy heavy trigger pull- during which it will cock the hammer and hit the firing pin. After the first shot, the gun goes into SA- which is the lighter trigger pull, now that the hammer is cocked. (When in DA, the trigger is at a more 'forward' position, and once in SA, the trigger is 'less forward'). So- theres several ways to carry the gun with a chambered rd. You can fire it un-cocked, bc its DA- that is- if you can handle a heavy trigger pull (mine is about 10lbs, but i'm very petite girl, & have no problem in it- its really up to the strength of your fingers.... and if you have conditions like arthritis- DA probably isn't a good option in a moment of danger). Or- you can fire it cocked... in SA. And should you cock the hammer.... and decide you do not need to fire- and want to put the hammer back- you can either 1) release mag, rack slide to eject chambered rd- then double and triple check to make sure the chamber is clear- and then dry fire, to release the hammer (if gun needs mag to fire, insert empty mag only)- or... 2) i wouldn't recommend #2, and then 3) just decock. a mechanism will cover the safety pin, allowing the hammer to decock without directly hitting the firing pin.

These are several gun actions- and in knowing what action your gun is in... will also play a variable in how quickly you will warm up to the idea of carry a loaded gun (and ESPECIALLY- on whether you want to carry a chambered rd or not!)

from one MO neighbor to another, congrats on your CCL
 
It's pretty normal for the average person to feel a bit nervous about carrying around a loaded handgun if they are not used to it...When I first started concealed carrying I admit that I also felt the same way. This training video (and other such videos) should help you to quickly change your mind about not having a round in the chamber imvho.


If you have a quality sidearm and a good holster plus a decent amount of experience with your personal sidearm, you can rest assured that the weapon 'will not' discharge on it's own.

Welcome aboard and stay safe out there.

P.s. What kind of ammo are you carrying??
 
Thanks for all the input everyone. I just purchased my gun Wednesday. It is a Bersa Thunder 380, and the only ammo I have found so far is the Blazer 95 grain CCI, of which I have 1 box. :(
I really wish I had been sure of the caliber gun I was going to get when I was at the gun show a few weeks ago, I could have gotten loads of ammo at a decent price.
 
I haven't even gotten to shoot it yet, how embarrassing is that? Lol. I want to, but my cleaning kit is not in yet, and The Hubby said not to if I can't clean it right away. :(

Your husband is absolutely correct- and obviously loves his guns and knows how to care for them properly... with that said... semiautomatic pistols today can withstand alot of abuse. so.. it wouldn't hurt ;) to shoot it before that cleaning kit comes in, if you really can't help yourself :)

For more ammo, i suggest doing a trade on armslist.com. I just finalized and completed a trade for a bunch of 9mm... I recommend trades bc trading ammo for cash is going to be inflated- but if you trade items that are in demand, for other items that are in demand.. really- any firearms- (esp. if both parties purchased their goods at PRIOR fair market value)- you're going to get a much fair trade. Now- I can resume my once every 2-3 weeks trips to the range, and sell fair priced ammo to my friends who need target practice.

also keep an eye out for slickguns.com ammo deals. I have a shortcut button on my browser. one click away, at any moment, to viewing ammo deals that are being updated daily.
 
Thanks for the info on the ammo.

Yeah, I called my bro and he said to go ahead and shoot since I am getting my kit soon. So I went out and shot it for the first time. I liked it! I was nervous having never shot that caliber, but I liked it. Blew the cap off a Dew bottle at 20 feet....lol. Had to quit after the 4th reload because my fingers were going numb and it was starting to sprinkle...brrr.

ETA: I am glad all our neighbors around us shoot, so I don't have to worry about freaking them out...lol. It was a bit louder than I expected at first, even with ear plugs, but I will get used to it.
 
Thanks for all the input everyone. I just purchased my gun Wednesday. It is a Bersa Thunder 380, and the only ammo I have found so far is the Blazer 95 grain CCI, of which I have 1 box. :(
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Is that in FMJ or Hollow Points?

I'm assuming it's FMJ (full metal jacket -aka- ball ammo)...
I'm just asking because it's not advisable to carry FMJ's for self defense due to the greater risk of overpenetration, which could lead to the possibility of the discharged round/s going completely through the bad guy and then travelling much farther beyond your intended target.

I am currently carrying Hornady Critical Defense in all of my sidearms (including in my .380).
It's an excellent self defense round imvho and it is much less likely to overpenetrate.
 
Wow, I did not know that. They are fmj. I am looking for more ammo, just hard to find. I shot most of them yesterday for practice. :D
 
Hey crazed Chris,

Alot of stores keep a stash just for the customers who purchase a gun from them, so that in the very least the customer will have one box to take home. Perhaps you could go back to the store you got your gun from and ask if they have a box of hollowpoints to sell you. I see enough of Speer Gold Dots being sold everywhere. And all you need is one box- bc you do not target practice with these. You defend yourself with them.
 

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