Nearly every state in the country will arrest a non-resident for carrying a concealed gun without a permit or reciprocity. And ignorance of the law is not a defense. While I don't like the laws I will obey a state's laws.Just another reason to avoid "the garden" state.
That's one of the issues with PA's system. There is no training requirement...none. You never have to have fired a gun or attended a class. This is also the reason more states don't have reciprocity with PA.
PA has it right on that. More mandates by the government means more infringement. Training is a good thing, but once it is required by the government it is just another infringement.
To me training and testing is just a way of ensuring the "militia is well regulated," not an infringement. An infringement would be if the government absolutely prevents something even with reasonable regulations...The founding fathers assumed, rightly, that people then knew how and when to use firearms. These days it's obviously not the case.
If you believe that those lifetime appointed partisan hacks are the great deciders of what the founding fathers intended then explain the Obamacare ruling (among others) and explain why a large percentage of the rulings are 5-4 along partisan lines.The 2008 and 2010 Supreme Court decisions on the Second Amendment agree that is the correct interpretation.
This last is just a pet peeve of mine. Law enforcement are civilians like the rest of us. The biggest difference is that they are not controlled (owned) by their job once they go home for the evening.The military and law enforcement demands training for carrying firearms and for good reason. Civilians should be subject to the same.
There are two things about your well-reasoned and highly literate post that you should consider:
Training is GREAT, mandated training is an INFRINGEMENT. If the states are ready to call up the militias to serve, then they have the responsibility to make sure they are trained - that has nothing to do with self defense. When you use the word "reasonable" (some anti-gunners say "common sense") with regards to regulations or anything else produced by the idiots we have in office it gets really scary - tell me I'm wrong.
If you believe that those lifetime appointed partisan hacks are the great deciders of what the founding fathers intended then explain the Obamacare ruling (among others) and explain why a large percentage of the rulings are 5-4 along partisan lines.
This last is just a pet peeve of mine. Law enforcement are civilians like the rest of us. The biggest difference is that they are not controlled (owned) by their job once they go home for the evening.
I keep telling gun owners if they continue to act as they do they can say goodbye to their gun rights. I give it two more generations and the little gimmie's will be in charge. Raised and educated by progressive liberals. What will their reaction to crime be? I wouldn't want to be a young person today. I think they'll lose a lot of rights over their lifetime."Training is GREAT, mandated training is an INFRINGEMENT" That is your opinion. The legal reality is that many states can and do require training and it is a practical solution to having untrained people running around with guns. It also helps maintain some public confidence in concealed carry programs. By the way, the idiots we have in office were freely elected by the "collective us." If we can't get out the vote, the other side will and the conservative showing has been pathetic the last few major elections. That's our fault. As has been said, "Every nation gets the government it deserves."
I don't agree about police officers. Most of them are technically "on duty" 24/7. They still have a legal "duty to act" even off-shift. Also, they are owned by their job once they go home. They can be called in at any time in an emergency. In regards a firearms discussion, they are not civilians like us. They are sworn officers of the government they work for. Also, if they use their firearms in a defense situation, it will be handled by the rules of an officer involved shooting, by internal affairs, not homicide. I think that is as it should be.
Indiana also does not require any formal training. While I think it's a good idea, I certainly don't want it forced on me - and I'll bet if they did make it a requirement in every state the cost of training would sky rocket.
I am an experienced shooter, but I am always happy to review the basics. Novice shooters should not be carrying on the streets without some training anymore than novice drivers should be driving without some training.
Here's what I can't figure out. Why did she tell the cop she had a gun? PA, where she has her permit, doesn't require that on a traffic stop. If she had kept her mouth shut and just taken the ticket, she would have been OK. It's just like that other story where the guy had to recheck his bags at LaGuardia and he had a gun inside his suitcase that he had declared at his departure airport. He tells the airline agent about it and winds up being busted by the NYPD.
I've been taking a bunch of CCW training at NRA HQ in Fairfax. Every class has emphasized: When it comes to CCW and self-defense, you say NOTHING, period. If they ask you questions, you plead the 5th, period. Even if you still get busted, the cops are going to have to make a strong probable cause argument and the case may get thrown out. If you say, "I gotta gun!" You are handing them your head on a platter.
The major networks have picked up this story. Will be interesting to watch how it plays out.
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