CathyInBlue
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Fascists do like their kitties, afterall.
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Martial Law in Boston Justified? Yay or Nay?
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Fascists do like their kitties, afterall.
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Deanimator
New member
The Apache in me heartily approves.
Of course I've got a cousin who's a Muslim, and he might prefer the "Mare of Steel" from "The Long Ships"...
I agree. There is no gray area here. If I tell you he's not in my house and you are not coming in without probable cause and a warrant, then that's it. I wonder if anyone did refuse and how it was handled. I keep hearing about hot pursuit. Does that mean the entire town? Your lead on this kid is so bad that you lock down the entire town? He's throwing bombs out a car window and you lost him? It's safe to say they completely over-reacted and everyone feels just grand because he was captured, only because some guy needing a smoke, broke martial law curfew and stepped outside to burn one.
gejoslin
Illegitimi non carborundu
Now we know why they ordered so damn many rounds! They cain't hit for *****!!!
Spray and pray comes to mind. It's not like he was on a yacht, for the love of Mike!
Well... just a little something to mull over as you ponder this.
(copied and pasted here from a document circulating on the internet)
Evaluate this information for yourself... find your own sources or search what places and source material makes sense to you, to confirm or discredit statements below. However from my perspective it seems solid.
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On March 13, 2013, Obama signed into law 'The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act of 2013.'
In part, this law authorized:
"drills and exercises to ensure medical surge capacity for events WITHOUT NOTICE (emphasis added) (...) and operational exercises, in consultation with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) (...) including exercises
based on—
(i) identified threats for which countermeasures
are available and for which no countermeasures are
available; and
(ii) unknown threats for which no countermeasures are available (...)"
On April 3, the DHS used the Federal Communications Commission process to rename renamed CMAS (the Commercial Mobile Alert System) to "Wireless Emergency Alerts," and made ready its use for events outside of emergencies.
On April 4, Obama, Panetta, and their legal team, again went to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Case No. 12-3176, filing to defend their claim of authority to conduct NDAA indefinite detention without charge or trial of US citizens. The administration is being challenged by plaintiffs who with scant resources and little publicity are standing up for our Constitutional rights. However, while they still fight in this case, at the time of the publication of this document, the court has not yet ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, and the administration and its agencies are free to engage in abuses of power correlated to the NDAA, at this stage, unrestrained by the courts.
On April 12, the Department of Defense (DoD) adopted a rule, "Defense Support of Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies,"
filed as Docket ID DOD-2009-OS-0038, in which it claimed the right for the military to operate on the streets of America in events of "disorder prejudicial to public law and order" including "Explosives or munitions emergenc(ies)" amongst other examples, without the direction of the President or Congress. In the same manner as the Weimar Constitution of the German Reich, this rule grants full presidential authority to “Federal military commanders.” The stated purpose of the updated rule is “support in Accordance With the Posse Comitatus Act,” but in reality it undermines the Insurrection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act in significant and alarming ways. The most substantial change is the notion of “civil disturbance” as one of the few “domestic emergencies” under the rule that would allow for the deployment of military assets on American soil. This rule was adopted rapidly in April 2013 and without soliciting public comment from the public this year (2013), incorporating only comment(s) from 2010 on a preliminary rule in a pretense of public engagement before cementing the final rule in place. It has been rumored that the legal team going up against the administration on the NDAA case is considering amending the NDAA complaint currently in front of the court to include this rule change (so that the DoD rule can be challenged legally in court). The DoD rule violates various federal laws and the US Constitution, but has not yet been challenged in court.
On April 15-19, a series of false flag attacks were initiated in America ~ beginning with a Boston bombing, considered to have been initiated by paramilitary contractors and emergency forces, which was abused to attempt to justify a massive citywide lockdown with an illegal and unconstitutional martial law (based upon prior legal actions of Obama's April 4th court filing and the DoD's rule adoption of April 12th). Streets were closed and cleared. During this timeframe, a "CMAS" system was deployed resulting in nearly every cell phone in Boston directing residents to "shelter in place," with persistently repeating notifications that could not be readily cleared from the phones for the bulk of the week. No information was provided to the Boston cell phone users on how to opt out of the CMAS notifications, despite that the Federal Communications Commission, upon adoption of the CMAS, adopted a federal rule allowing for individual opt-out from the CMAS (and thus from the claimed "emergency" itself).
The Department of Homeland Security attacked #bitcoin on May 14 with punitive court actions on exchanges, just prior to beginning of Bitcoin 2013: The Future of PaymentsMay 17-19, 2013 - San Jose, CA - Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments
On May 23, mass casualty drills were carried out in the Central Coast of California in the community of Salinas, California with a drill called "Quiet Flow." Reporters claimed "a car bomb went off went off at the Salinas Sports Complex - there were fatalities and radioactive debris on scene" and said "Salinas firefighters made the first entry, but called for backup from the National Guard" ~ this was later confirmed to have been "planned for many months." "This was a simulated incident, which if real, would play out just as how firefighters and the 95th Civil Support team practice all week," later said the reporters...
This was paid for by the Department of Homeland Security; reporters stated "we were unable to get a cost estimate for the weeklong operation..."
And so on.
Add your own dates / events to this list and republish / create new paste, to the...
Timeline of Tyranny
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(copied and pasted here from a document circulating on the internet)
Evaluate this information for yourself... find your own sources or search what places and source material makes sense to you, to confirm or discredit statements below. However from my perspective it seems solid.
----------------------------(begins paste)--------------------------------------
On March 13, 2013, Obama signed into law 'The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act of 2013.'
In part, this law authorized:
"drills and exercises to ensure medical surge capacity for events WITHOUT NOTICE (emphasis added) (...) and operational exercises, in consultation with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) (...) including exercises
based on—
(i) identified threats for which countermeasures
are available and for which no countermeasures are
available; and
(ii) unknown threats for which no countermeasures are available (...)"
On April 3, the DHS used the Federal Communications Commission process to rename renamed CMAS (the Commercial Mobile Alert System) to "Wireless Emergency Alerts," and made ready its use for events outside of emergencies.
On April 4, Obama, Panetta, and their legal team, again went to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Case No. 12-3176, filing to defend their claim of authority to conduct NDAA indefinite detention without charge or trial of US citizens. The administration is being challenged by plaintiffs who with scant resources and little publicity are standing up for our Constitutional rights. However, while they still fight in this case, at the time of the publication of this document, the court has not yet ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, and the administration and its agencies are free to engage in abuses of power correlated to the NDAA, at this stage, unrestrained by the courts.
On April 12, the Department of Defense (DoD) adopted a rule, "Defense Support of Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies,"
filed as Docket ID DOD-2009-OS-0038, in which it claimed the right for the military to operate on the streets of America in events of "disorder prejudicial to public law and order" including "Explosives or munitions emergenc(ies)" amongst other examples, without the direction of the President or Congress. In the same manner as the Weimar Constitution of the German Reich, this rule grants full presidential authority to “Federal military commanders.” The stated purpose of the updated rule is “support in Accordance With the Posse Comitatus Act,” but in reality it undermines the Insurrection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act in significant and alarming ways. The most substantial change is the notion of “civil disturbance” as one of the few “domestic emergencies” under the rule that would allow for the deployment of military assets on American soil. This rule was adopted rapidly in April 2013 and without soliciting public comment from the public this year (2013), incorporating only comment(s) from 2010 on a preliminary rule in a pretense of public engagement before cementing the final rule in place. It has been rumored that the legal team going up against the administration on the NDAA case is considering amending the NDAA complaint currently in front of the court to include this rule change (so that the DoD rule can be challenged legally in court). The DoD rule violates various federal laws and the US Constitution, but has not yet been challenged in court.
On April 15-19, a series of false flag attacks were initiated in America ~ beginning with a Boston bombing, considered to have been initiated by paramilitary contractors and emergency forces, which was abused to attempt to justify a massive citywide lockdown with an illegal and unconstitutional martial law (based upon prior legal actions of Obama's April 4th court filing and the DoD's rule adoption of April 12th). Streets were closed and cleared. During this timeframe, a "CMAS" system was deployed resulting in nearly every cell phone in Boston directing residents to "shelter in place," with persistently repeating notifications that could not be readily cleared from the phones for the bulk of the week. No information was provided to the Boston cell phone users on how to opt out of the CMAS notifications, despite that the Federal Communications Commission, upon adoption of the CMAS, adopted a federal rule allowing for individual opt-out from the CMAS (and thus from the claimed "emergency" itself).
The Department of Homeland Security attacked #bitcoin on May 14 with punitive court actions on exchanges, just prior to beginning of Bitcoin 2013: The Future of PaymentsMay 17-19, 2013 - San Jose, CA - Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments
On May 23, mass casualty drills were carried out in the Central Coast of California in the community of Salinas, California with a drill called "Quiet Flow." Reporters claimed "a car bomb went off went off at the Salinas Sports Complex - there were fatalities and radioactive debris on scene" and said "Salinas firefighters made the first entry, but called for backup from the National Guard" ~ this was later confirmed to have been "planned for many months." "This was a simulated incident, which if real, would play out just as how firefighters and the 95th Civil Support team practice all week," later said the reporters...
This was paid for by the Department of Homeland Security; reporters stated "we were unable to get a cost estimate for the weeklong operation..."
And so on.
Add your own dates / events to this list and republish / create new paste, to the...
Timeline of Tyranny
----------------(end paste)------------------------
kwimby
Banned
I like how the troll ends with "add your own dates / events etc. and re-post. Yeah, we're just makin' shyt up!
The kind prejudiced people with pre-conceived notions rooted in affect bias just eat up around here.
Literally none of the hogwash described in the above post is even close to being true.
Totally fabricated misinformation and lies.
The kind prejudiced people with pre-conceived notions rooted in affect bias just eat up around here.
Literally none of the hogwash described in the above post is even close to being true.
Totally fabricated misinformation and lies.
Nightmare45
NRA LIFE MEMBER
Pointing a gun at me on my land will get YOU shot.
Government and libs should read Marbury v Madison, any law that violates the Constitution is automatically null and void.
Government and libs should read Marbury v Madison, any law that violates the Constitution is automatically null and void.
Amen! That's what I've been saying for a while now. When a law is null and void, it is not a law at all. Thanks for posting, Nightmare45.
It's good to see all these replies. Now I have to wonder, what will be our response in real life if another Boston occurs. Will we man up and respond? I have friends in Turkey that, over a period of months or years have just gotten fed up with their messed up government randomly abusing them constantly with police force, at universities, at public places, with the government passing more and more laws governing people's lives, even to the point of banning Turkish airline stewardesses from wearing red lipstick, outlawing anyone in Turkey from drinking alcohol, etc. The examples I cite are just a few, the real problem was not what happened at a park, it is the constant abuse that Turkish citizens have had to endure at the hands of authorities for years, which has led to current revolts. So I suppose the real question is, if Boston were to happen in your community, are you ready? Will you be prepared to organize with others to respond? Or are you going to be, like most people are, a doormat?
The truth is all it takes are a dedicated few to stand up to tyranny and inspire the world to struggle for freedom.
The truth is all it takes are a dedicated few to stand up to tyranny and inspire the world to struggle for freedom.
SR40c
Done told her once...
Feels more like the old Soviet Union now than the USA that I remember.
tricolordad
Banned
Wrong country. 15 char
AndeyHall
Active member
Under the circumstances, I would have wanted those guys caught just as much as the next guy, so had they asked nicely they would have been more than welcome to come in and have a look around. But coming to my door and demanding me out in the street at gun point and treating me like a terrorist just because there is a suspected terrorist roaming the streets...I would have probably been shot.
gejoslin
Illegitimi non carborundu
I have a big problem when the State or Local cops decide that a situation demands my/our rights get throw out the window. Their strategy should work around our
rights as a law abiding citizens of the USA. Because this happened, this time, they'll do it again the next time a suspect is evading them out goes our rights!
rights as a law abiding citizens of the USA. Because this happened, this time, they'll do it again the next time a suspect is evading them out goes our rights!
My bet is, they would have smashed the door in.
What gives the authorities power in a situation like this is that there's no organized resistance. There can't be, because people are staying in their houses. No witnesses. No one to tell the story about how the guy got shot for protesting the warrantless invasion of his home. No one to assure that he wasn't crazy or a collaborator. No one to say, "wait a minute, that was wrong!"
It was detestable the way people were treated, but I'm not sure I'd have played hero just then. Who's gonna take care of my family if the govt. goes Ruby Ridge on my ass?
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The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
They probably would have kicked your front door in while aiming their weapons at you & screaming "Freeze Mother F'r! Don't F'ng Move!!".
Then they probably would have forcefully slammed you onto the ground and cuffed you for some trumped up charges of 'resisting' and 'non-compliance' or some other bullcrap.
God help you if you would have even dared to have a firearm nearby, because if you did they probably would have lit you up.
