Lessons Learned From Mr. Zimmerman.

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Paul

P.S. It would appear that you have ZERO idea about what you are talking about.

Just because my POV is different from yours doesn't mean I'm wrong or that I'm lying.

You really just posted your information on the Internet?!?!?
Derp! LOL

Oh
And
Justice for Zimmerman!
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My fear was that someone within the Jury was possibly texting to the outside world. Guy at work uses that App that turns the voice to text like Dragon Naturally Speaking. One of those on in the Jury room would be deadly.

Now Jessy jackson is putting his 2¢ worth in... He needs to join his son.
Man, why so many lights on at the court house?

Here in. Greenville County at least, they collect your phone before trial starts.

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I think that the insistence by the "persecution" that there was no doubt that TM was profiled is ominous. My answer to that is that he probably was. A person dressed like the uni-bomber wandering the streets at night would raise my curiosity as well. The that the only pictures the MSM showed of TM were a few years old (when he looked nice and innocent)showed where this was going from the get-go.
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I applaud the Defense for calling out the MSM as the perps in this case. Until we get Americans to use their own minds instead of listening to the likes of Toure, Chris Matthews, and the professional race-baiters like Sharpton, Jackson and the rest there will be no peace.
 
This is still the picture that even Faux News was using this morning:

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The symbolic lynching of George Zimmerman will continue indefinitely. The actual lynching will take place as soon as he makes one mistake, ironically, by getting out of a car again and not thinking two or three steps ahead.

Blues
 
This is still the picture that even Faux News was using this morning:

trayvon-martin1-391x400.jpg


The symbolic lynching of George Zimmerman will continue indefinitely. The actual lynching will take place as soon as he makes one mistake, ironically, by getting out of a car again and not thinking two or three steps ahead.

Blues

Yes, but isn't it deserved? Think of all the things TM will never have a chance to do now. Like participate in a drive-by...rob a gas station...selling and using drugs, etc. His life (of crime) cut down at such a young age.
 
This is still the picture that even Faux News was using this morning:

trayvon-martin1-391x400.jpg


The symbolic lynching of George Zimmerman will continue indefinitely. The actual lynching will take place as soon as he makes one mistake, ironically, by getting out of a car again and not thinking two or three steps ahead.

Blues

Hey Blues, do you think the think the state would have used this picture for his mug shot? :sarcastic: But they'll use it to try and twist the jury's heart strings. We know that for sure.
 
Yes, but isn't it deserved? Think of all the things TM will never have a chance to do now. Like participate in a drive-by...rob a gas station...selling and using drugs, etc. His life (of crime) cut down at such a young age.

Actually, I find this meme mildly offensive. I don't need to project into the future what Trayvon may have become in order to believe that Zimmerman was legally justified in shooting him on 2/26/12.

I don't know if I'm unique in this regard or not, but I had a fairly troubled youth. While violence was never something I sought out, or even engaged in at all for that matter, I smoked pot (and beyond), I grew a plant or two in my day, I had an interest in guns (since well before I was 17), I talked the slang of the day (incessantly), I dropped out of high school and joined the Army at 17, I hung around outlaw bikers after I got home, built choppers, loved when pictures of our builds made us all look "hard" even when it was never true (for me anyway).

I ended up putting my self-destructive and thrill-seeking energies into jobs that paid well but still gave me that adrenaline rush. The rush from doin' dope didn't compare with walking beams 400' off the ground. Learning how to weld gave me productive opportunities that provided similar rushes as splittin' traffic at 70 or 80 mph down the 405 Freeway at "rush" hour, and wore me out to the point that I just quit doin' that kind of stuff on my time off. When my dog gets real rowdy in the house, I take him outside and run the excess energy out of him with a Frisbee. He comes back in and sleeps like a baby for the rest of the day and night. I did the same thing with myself as a young man. Trayvon had every potential to learn how to control his excesses too. It just didn't work out that way, but I'm not going to engage in rank stereotyping just because he hadn't learned those lessons by the time he turned 17.

Personally, I have no problem envisioning Trayvon going through much of what I did, getting over sewing his wild oats and settling down to maybe even become a championship UFC fighter. Anyone who even casually follows that sport knows that many fighters have much worse backgrounds than Trayvon did by the time they were 17 and started getting into MMA, which apparently, Trayvon had started getting into. Many of those fighters credit the sport with saving their lives. Trayvon wasn't anywhere near being on an irreversible track, even compared to my own white-bread upbringing.

He made a fatal mistake that night, but his life and the potential he had for a decent future doesn't need to be defined by only that mistake. When you boil it all down, he was still just a 17 year old kid. I'd say judge his potential future either on what we all experienced as youngins' and where we went from there, or on what screw-ups your own kids have engaged in on their way to becoming "good people" and productive, law-abiding adults.

Sorry if this seems like a rant. I don't intend it that way. It just kind of gets to me that the death of a 17 year old kid is nearly celebrated based on such lightweight evidence as a few pictures on a cell phone and one fight that he lost with a bullet to the heart.
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Blues
 
My fear was that someone within the Jury was possibly texting to the outside world. Guy at work uses that App that turns the voice to text like Dragon Naturally Speaking. One of those on in the Jury room would be deadly.

That's a standard feature (built into the OS) on many smartphones.
 
Actually, I find this meme mildly offensive. I don't need to project into the future what Trayvon may have become in order to believe that Zimmerman was legally justified in shooting him on 2/26/12.

I don't know if I'm unique in this regard or not, but I had a fairly troubled youth. While violence was never something I sought out, or even engaged in at all for that matter, I smoked pot (and beyond), I grew a plant or two in my day, I had an interest in guns (since well before I was 17), I talked the slang of the day (incessantly), I dropped out of high school and joined the Army at 17, I hung around outlaw bikers after I got home, built choppers, loved when pictures of our builds made us all look "hard" even when it was never true (for me anyway).

I ended up putting my self-destructive and thrill-seeking energies into jobs that paid well but still gave me that adrenaline rush. The rush from doin' dope didn't compare with walking beams 400' off the ground. Learning how to weld gave me productive opportunities that provided similar rushes as splittin' traffic at 70 or 80 mph down the 405 Freeway at "rush" hour, and wore me out to the point that I just quit doin' that kind of stuff on my time off. When my dog gets real rowdy in the house, I take him outside and run the excess energy out of him with a Frisbee. He comes back in and sleeps like a baby for the rest of the day and night. I did the same thing with myself as a young man. Trayvon had every potential to learn how to control his excesses too. It just didn't work out that way, but I'm not going to engage in rank stereotyping just because he hadn't learned those lessons by the time he turned 17.

Personally, I have no problem envisioning Trayvon going through much of what I did, getting over sewing his wild oats and settling down to maybe even become a championship UFC fighter. Anyone who even casually follows that sport knows that many fighters have much worse backgrounds than Trayvon did by the time they were 17 and started getting into MMA, which apparently, Trayvon had started getting into. Many of those fighters credit the sport with saving their lives. Trayvon wasn't anywhere near being on an irreversible track, even compared to my own white-bread upbringing.

He made a fatal mistake that night, but his life and the potential he had for a decent future doesn't need to be defined by only that mistake. When you boil it all down, he was still just a 17 year old kid. I'd say judge his potential future either on what we all experienced as youngins' and where we went from there, or on what screw-ups your own kids have engaged in on their way to becoming "good people" and productive, law-abiding adults.

Sorry if this seems like a rant. I don't intend it that way. It just kind of gets to me that the death of a 17 year old kid is nearly celebrated based on such lightweight evidence as a few pictures on a cell phone and one fight that he lost with a bullet to the heart.
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Blues

It's not "near celebrating" as you put it. It's the disdain towards people that continually want to put him out there as a saint. And there's more than just a few pictures on a cell phone that show that (toxicology report, school reports of counter-band, suspension, and possession of tools known to be used for robberies.).

But I don't have to project the future to justify it either. Bottom line, if Z had not been able to defend himself that night, that mistake would have put M behind bars for 1st degree assault, if not manslaughter.

Glad you turned your life around.
 
I think something neighborhood watches around the country should learn from this is the possibility of backups or radios connecting people in the neighborhood. Had Mr. Zimmerman been able to radio to any one of the other neighborhood watch members I feel this would not have happened.

I think Neighborhood watch groups really need to focus on how to better serve their neighborhood.
Previously, I would never have considered being on a neighborhood watch if I couldn't ccw. What I learned from Zimmerman is that I will never be on a neighborhood watch program, period. It's already been well established that cops carry weapons for THEIR protection, not to protect the citizenry. When they patro unarmed, I MIGHT consider patrolling unarmed.
 
Previously, I would never have considered being on a neighborhood watch if I couldn't ccw. What I learned from Zimmerman is that I will never be on a neighborhood watch program, period. It's already been well established that cops carry weapons for THEIR protection, not to protect the citizenry. When they patro unarmed, I MIGHT consider patrolling unarmed.

Man, I don't even know where to begin with this. I kind of agree, but on the other hand I don't want to agree.
I think Neighborhood watches are a good thing. But I see so much room for error.
If it were like my area where the Sheriffs Dpt. provides a patrol car, its a great way to really get to know your neighborhood and surrounding area for a SHTF day.
 
As a Carry Community what have we learned from Mr. Zimmerman's Lessons Taught?

I now know for a fact having a round in the chamber is a must (Always has been but nice to be reminded).

This does make me wonder what would be happening if Mr. Zimmerman was coming to the rescue of an innocent being attacked.

My Gun and Ammunition know no color and my decisions darn well better be made in the same way.

If I have to make a decision in a split second whether or not to use my gun, make the choice that saves your life.

I have not read all the posts but this first one is also what I took away from the trial. I have always carried with a loaded magazine, but not one in the chamber. If I were in Zimmermans position that means I might as well NOT have even been loaded. Being able to fire with one hand is important. Now I carry hot with the safety on.
 
Kramer very good insight..upon reading your post I'd like to share with you and maybe anyone else who may read this..in response to "being able to shoot with one hand is important. Now I carry hot with the safety on"
I currently own 2 carry pistols both a very safe, (without a safety) and I love both of them for how safe they are..first is the Ruger LCP .380 w/crimson trace laser sight..for one it is a double action, which is similar to GZ's kel tec (hammer comes back with squeeze of trigger) that's it's safety. I think a carry pistol with a manual safety puts ya behind in what may be very crucial time, one extra step. Then with the crimson trace laser in the mix gives ya a psychological advantage in the right circumstance, with space between you and the bad guy. My other carry pistol is the Springfield xd9 subcompact wich is the best gun I have ever shot, again no manual safety, but instead has a grip safety, in which it will not fire unless that is compressed, then to top it off it has a chamber indicator and firing pin indicator so ya know by sight and feel that it is hot. I might be telling you something you already know, but if not research the Springfield and see what ya think..forgive me I'm not trying to instruct ya on things..just sharing knowledge..if needed..
Stay safe brother..
 
He should not have followed TM at all, ever, nor should he have challenged TM at all. Think TM is up to no good, call 911, give all the factual information you have, and go home.

Did you watch the trial and hear the evidence?

GZ had gone back to his truck and was on the phone with 911 when TM doubled back and watched him sitting in his truck on the phone. Then TM walked away. GZ got out of his truck after TM left, and went to look for an address to give to 911. That is when TM confronted GZ and assaulted him. He was not following him, nor was he in pursuit of him when assaulted.
 
I have not read all the posts but this first one is also what I took away from the trial. I have always carried with a loaded magazine, but not one in the chamber. If I were in Zimmermans position that means I might as well NOT have even been loaded. Being able to fire with one hand is important. Now I carry hot with the safety on.

I always carrry "hot". In fact, I've been carrying my .38 more lately... never have to worry about it being or not being ready.
 
Man, I don't even know where to begin with this. I kind of agree, but on the other hand I don't want to agree.
I think Neighborhood watches are a good thing. But I see so much room for error.
If it were like my area where the Sheriffs Dpt. provides a patrol car, its a great way to really get to know your neighborhood and surrounding area for a SHTF day.

They are a good thing as long as you don't patrol or pro-actively get involved. A watch is just that... watch your neighbor's home and they watch yours. Everyone does this and it eliminates the need to patrol anything. Everyone calls the police or each other and no one goes outside.
 

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