Can you show statistics?Umm people have died from one punch clear sight
The killing is in self defense if:
1. There was an appearance of immediate danger of death or great bodily harm to the defendant as a result of __________________3; and
2. The defendant was in fact put in fear by the apparent danger of immediate death or great bodily harm and killed __________________ (name of victim) because of that fear; and
3. A reasonable person in the same circumstances as the defendant would have acted as the defendant did.
Never being somewhere you should not be in the first place (kind of like situational awareness and part of the Plaxico Burris rule--"if you needed a gun to go in there, why did you go in there in the first place?") has been mentioned.
Can you show statistics?
Statistics no anecdotal evidence yes.
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Killed by one punch; Thug laughed after unprovoked street attack led to death of student and 'outstanding' sportsman. - Free Online Library
Clearly, it happens. The question is are you going to stand there and wait to see if you become the next statistic?
Common sense dictates that you don't shoot every one that squares up on you but common sense also dictates that you would avoid 90% of these problems by not trifling w/ people you don't know.
Maybe I live in a different world than you do but if somebody I don't know decides they want to get that involved in my life I take it seriously. For someone to go that crazy on you out of nowhere is not a rational act , you have no way of knowing what a person like that is capable of or what they are going to do.
Also I'm heading past middle age. My boxing years are long behind me I doubt very seriously I could hold my own against a pissed off 20 something and once he's got you down how do you know when he's going to decide you've had enough?
I concede on the "one punch" killing joke. Apparently it is more preveleant than I thought.
I guess I have a different outlook, I deal with pissed off fools that want to fight every day.
Hey Clear: My reference to Plaxico Burris obviously deals more with the specific places you go to and not necessarily the neighborhood, although I would think that if your favorite is in a bad neighborhood, your situational awareness level will be a higher degree of sensitivity than elsewhere. When you decide to walk into some sort of bar that has a history of violence, common sense tells me that you should not be going there and if you do, and find it necessary to CC (legal or not), then I would question your sensibilities, like the NFL did with Mr. Burris.
Them places you should avoid are like that because people like us avoid them.
The crimial elements should not be allowed to control any place.
I wasn't aware that a CHP imputed any police authority to me and I am absolutely positive it imputes no responsibility to do the police's job to me
I wasn't aware that a CHP imputed any police authority to me and I am absolutely positive it imputes no responsibility to do the police's job to me
IMHO, their never was an "honorable" fist fight concept. If you can't settle a dispute with someone through negotiation, mediation, or litigation, how is hitting them with your fists, feet, elbows, et cetera going to settle it? Answer, it isn't, you are just behaving childish.
Really? Growing up, I've seen many an "issue" settled by fisticuffs or the threat thereof.
Negotiation and mediation? How the hell does that work in real life? We're not talking liberal college professors stalking across campus to the "mediation center", here. We're talking situations in which violence is gonna occur. So, how would you like it...guns, knives, clubs, or fists?
Long time buddy!
I gotta agree with the opposing on this. I've been called out many times for various stupid stuff usually when on duty. I've swallowed my pride and reasoned with someone or even just left.
I do agree with you, if someone is intent on physically fighting with me i'd rather they come at me with bare knuckles than a weapon, which is what I think you were implying by "honorable". Maybe not exactly the honorable thing to do, but usually no one dies, and just sustains some bruises on their body and their ego.
Perhaps you need to grow up some more.
First of course, it depends on where you live, what the laws are in your area. Where I live, I can use deadly force if "a reasonable person" would be in fear of bodily harm or death.
utah code 76-2-402. Force in defense of person -- Forcible felony defined.
(1) (a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that force or a threat of force is necessary to defend the person or a third person against another person's imminent use of unlawful force.
(b) A person is justified in using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury only if the person reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to the person or a third person as a result of another person's imminent use of unlawful force, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
That said, I agree with some that in the SPECIFIC scenario outlined by the OP, deadly force is probably not the right option... there is little chance of him beating you to death in a crowded restaurant.
In other circumstances though, deadly force could be called for when "it starts with a punch" say you are on a dark lonely street, you know what what the attacker has planned after the first punch, and anyone with half a brain and a ccw wont wait to find out.
A similar scenario just came to conclusion in florida a few days ago.... No charges filed.. Link Removed
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