How many rounds do you REALLY need.
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EastOkHotRod
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I've designed a special CCW light-bar for my '77 Thunderbird. When on foot-patrol, I feel my five gold-shield CCW badges (see my previous posts) are enough.
Stay ready, my friends.
Stay ready, my friends.
The 9 rounder is probably shorter and makes the gun easier to conceal. If you end up having to reload, the longer mag isn't an issue since the gun's already out in plain sight by then.
Rhino
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I carry my two spare mags in horizontal mag pouches. Those are far more comfortable than the vertical pouches and they don't dig into the gut. 31 rounds of 45 ACP total.
This guy makes the pouches custom:
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Actually he says his two chihuahuas make them in his basement. Talented dogs. You can see more of his stuff here:
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trophyhunter
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Honestly, I carry one extra Mag with me,Totaling 17 Rounds of .45 ACP JHP .230 Gr
phrogmedic
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Hey Eastokhotrod, if you ammo runs out you can gas'em out after eating all that chilli. Hope you got your CBR suit and gas mask in your wheelbarrow. Biggrin 
ironmike86
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CR Williams
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FBI stats, IIRC, starting four or five years (again, that's what memory says) back put the number of incidents where there is more than one attacker at over 50%. Also, many problems with semi-auto pistols can be attributed to a problem with the magazine, not the pistol. This indicates that an inclination toward some sort of high(er)-capacity semi-auto and at least one reload, more to cover a malfunction than anything else, should be considered.
It may be more useful to think of magazine or ammunition capacity in terms of number of bursts than of number of rounds. I am an advocate of the ability to make accurate/on-target bursts of 3-5 rounds for a number of reasons starting with an article I read (I think) in the 80s that had the title "Double-Tap, Assess, and Die" which opened the debate in my mind about that.
Given a 3 round minimum burst, I look at capacity in terms of how many of those I have. I may not need as many rounds for a given single target, I may need more, but it has been helpful to me to standardize on 3 rounds per in my evaluation of various weapons and capacity. So 8+1 would give me 3 bursts, 15+1 would give me five, etc.
Everybody says handgun rounds are anemic and the only reason they carry handguns is because they are handier and we can't, in most places, carry rifles wherever we go. I believe them. It seems best therefore to not rely on a single hit to stop, even if it does so most of the time, and to make up for the lack of power in the handgun round with rapid multiple shots (it also gives me a better chance of getting a CNS hit, which is what I'm always going after from the get-go).
Given all that, I continue to recommend, where possible, higher over lower on-board ammunition capacity and at least one full reload for the handgun whether it be revolver or semi-auto or a pepperbox. How much more, or less, as always, is up to the individual. Whatever you choose to bring to a class I teach, I'm going to do my best to make you able to use it the way you might need to regardless. I would think that most instructors will.
It may be more useful to think of magazine or ammunition capacity in terms of number of bursts than of number of rounds. I am an advocate of the ability to make accurate/on-target bursts of 3-5 rounds for a number of reasons starting with an article I read (I think) in the 80s that had the title "Double-Tap, Assess, and Die" which opened the debate in my mind about that.
Given a 3 round minimum burst, I look at capacity in terms of how many of those I have. I may not need as many rounds for a given single target, I may need more, but it has been helpful to me to standardize on 3 rounds per in my evaluation of various weapons and capacity. So 8+1 would give me 3 bursts, 15+1 would give me five, etc.
Everybody says handgun rounds are anemic and the only reason they carry handguns is because they are handier and we can't, in most places, carry rifles wherever we go. I believe them. It seems best therefore to not rely on a single hit to stop, even if it does so most of the time, and to make up for the lack of power in the handgun round with rapid multiple shots (it also gives me a better chance of getting a CNS hit, which is what I'm always going after from the get-go).
Given all that, I continue to recommend, where possible, higher over lower on-board ammunition capacity and at least one full reload for the handgun whether it be revolver or semi-auto or a pepperbox. How much more, or less, as always, is up to the individual. Whatever you choose to bring to a class I teach, I'm going to do my best to make you able to use it the way you might need to regardless. I would think that most instructors will.
Dragonbreath
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The important questions are:
1) How accurate are you when under pressure?
2) How well do you shoot from whatever position you find yourself in, and the range you're at, when the SHTF?
3) Are you doing SELF defense, defense of SELF & FAMILY, or do you suffer from a Rambo complex and are looking to take on multiple machine gunners in a shopping mall, single-handed?
The answers will determine how many rounds you actually need.
If you're a good shot from the distance and position you're in, and if your object is to simply defend yourself and/or your immediate family long enough to break contact and get clear of the area, you won't need many rounds. In that situation, you're trying to throw enough fear into the bad guy(s) that he/they will disengage long enough for you and yours to get clear. You're hoping you don't even have to fire (that way your bullets don't endanger others), and if you do fire, hitting/killing a bad guy is just "gravy". The object is to get clear and let the authorities take it from there. A single cyclinder-full in a revolver might be enough (but it wouldn't be wise to bet that way!)
But if you're Rambo and find yourself trying to draw fire so a large flock of unarmed sheep can get out of the mall, while the group of armed terrorists inside are shooting everything in sight, then you're going to need a LOT of ammo.
In other words, the answer to your question depends on the situation you are going to find yourself in, and ALSO about what your objective is going to be about dealing with that situation (get clear, or "kill 'em all"). If you are TRULY about "SELF defense" (minimizing risk while getting clear), vs. taking revenge for the bad guys wounding your pride, then if the SHTF, you will fire very few (or no) rounds.
1) How accurate are you when under pressure?
2) How well do you shoot from whatever position you find yourself in, and the range you're at, when the SHTF?
3) Are you doing SELF defense, defense of SELF & FAMILY, or do you suffer from a Rambo complex and are looking to take on multiple machine gunners in a shopping mall, single-handed?
The answers will determine how many rounds you actually need.
If you're a good shot from the distance and position you're in, and if your object is to simply defend yourself and/or your immediate family long enough to break contact and get clear of the area, you won't need many rounds. In that situation, you're trying to throw enough fear into the bad guy(s) that he/they will disengage long enough for you and yours to get clear. You're hoping you don't even have to fire (that way your bullets don't endanger others), and if you do fire, hitting/killing a bad guy is just "gravy". The object is to get clear and let the authorities take it from there. A single cyclinder-full in a revolver might be enough (but it wouldn't be wise to bet that way!)
But if you're Rambo and find yourself trying to draw fire so a large flock of unarmed sheep can get out of the mall, while the group of armed terrorists inside are shooting everything in sight, then you're going to need a LOT of ammo.
In other words, the answer to your question depends on the situation you are going to find yourself in, and ALSO about what your objective is going to be about dealing with that situation (get clear, or "kill 'em all"). If you are TRULY about "SELF defense" (minimizing risk while getting clear), vs. taking revenge for the bad guys wounding your pride, then if the SHTF, you will fire very few (or no) rounds.
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