I hope I am not repeating someone but reading all the posts was getting tiresome. It is really simple. . . The law wants a "2 step" procedure. 1. Open container 2. Remove weapon. This is why the under the seat or door slot would not work. I believe the duct taped bag would qualify as well as tuperware.
You're confusing two different acceptable locations. The closed container can be a gym bag, brief case, suit case, and as we suspect in this thread, possibly a tupperware container, as long as they have an integral fastener. These containers must be stowed in the cargo compartment. None of these are related to the glove box or center console.I don't think it would meet the 'letter of the law' because the tuperware is not a part of the vehicle like the center console or glove box is.
Funny you mention that. If I had to transport in that fashion, that is the very container I would use.Tupperware Container? Let's be honest. That's the box the Glock originally came in.
16-23-20-9-(a)
(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver's license, registration, or proof of insurance; or
16-23-10
(10) "Luggage compartment" means the trunk of a motor vehicle which has a trunk; however, with respect to a motor vehicle which does not have a trunk, the term "luggage compartment" refers to the area of the motor vehicle in which the manufacturer designed that luggage be carried or to the area of the motor vehicle in which luggage is customarily carried. In a station wagon, van, hatchback vehicle, or sport utility vehicle, the term "luggage compartment" refers to the area behind, but not under, the rearmost seat. In a truck, the term " luggage compartment" refers to the area behind the rearmost seat, but not under the front seat.
I never carry it on my person in my vehicle, and that is for 2 reasons: 1)it's easier to get to from the center console if I need it than from my side, and 2)because then if I'm pulled over I do not have the duty to notify them that I am a CWP holder and that I have guns in the vehicle. I know that is the courteous thing to do, but every time I haven't told them about the gun, they do their thing and we all go on our way. If I do tell them about the gun/CWP, I get treated like a suspect in a crime. Therefore I feel because of my experiences, law enforcement has lost their right to know when I have a gun in my vehicle. And besides, it's not like I ever plan on using it on them, so why do they need to know?...FN1910 has posted the law. I teach you either carry on your person WITH a valid South Carolina Concealed Weapons Permit OR you have a handgun in your automobile and a current South Carolina Drivers License and you are transporting it in accordance with the law as posted by FN1910, as a citizen of South Carolina. As you can see a valid S.C. CWP holder has the OPTION to carry on your person OR carry as a South Carolina citizen.
It is VERY important to remember what the S.C. law requires of a valid CWP holder: SECTION 23-31-210. Definitions. As used in this article:
(6) “Concealable weapon” means a firearm having a length of less than twelve inches measured along its greatest dimension that must be carried in a manner that is hidden from public view in normal wear of clothing except when needed for self defense, defense of others, and the protection of real or personal property.
I respectfully ask that each CWP holder comply with the current law. THANKS!
I never carry it on my person in my vehicle, and that is for 2 reasons: 1)it's easier to get to from the center console if I need it than from my side, and 2)because then if I'm pulled over I do not have the duty to notify them that I am a CWP holder and that I have guns in the vehicle. I know that is the courteous thing to do, but every time I haven't told them about the gun, they do their thing and we all go on our way. If I do tell them about the gun/CWP, I get treated like a suspect in a crime. Therefore I feel because of my experiences, law enforcement has lost their right to know when I have a gun in my vehicle. And besides, it's not like I ever plan on using it on them, so why do they need to know?
I've got a free attorney. The person who confirmed this for me is my Criminology professor who is a licensed defense attorney in SC. According to him, the way the law is written I would not have to inform if it isn't on me.I never carry it on my person in my vehicle, and that is for 2 reasons: 1)it's easier to get to from the center console if I need it than from my side, and 2)because then if I'm pulled over I do not have the duty to notify them that I am a CWP holder and that I have guns in the vehicle. I know that is the courteous thing to do, but every time I haven't told them about the gun, they do their thing and we all go on our way. If I do tell them about the gun/CWP, I get treated like a suspect in a crime. Therefore I feel because of my experiences, law enforcement has lost their right to know when I have a gun in my vehicle. And besides, it's not like I ever plan on using it on them, so why do they need to know?
In SC, you could lose, gun and freedom....The law is very clear...Your feelings don't enter into it...You can test the law if you wish but be ready to pay the price...Even if you are not convicted you will be out thousands to defend yourself.
I've got a free attorney. The person who confirmed this for me is my Criminology professor who is a licensed defense attorney in SC. According to him, the way the law is written I would not have to inform if it isn't on me.
What about a brown paper bag that's sealed with a piece of duct tape? Can't help the "MacGyver" in me. :wink:
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"(K) A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4 of Chapter 31 of Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver’s license from a permit holder. A permit holder immediately must report the loss or theft of a permit identification card to SLED headquarters. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined twenty five dollars."I've got a free attorney. The person who confirmed this for me is my Criminology professor who is a licensed defense attorney in SC. According to him, the way the law is written I would not have to inform if it isn't on me.
Let me know when your court date is, and I will love to attend and listen. It would be an interesting case...As I said my interpretation of the law will not be Officer Smiths.... The law is prevaricates.
What part of the law did you take that from? Here's the definition I found for "concealable weapon":
(b) concealed on or about his person, and he has a valid concealed weapons permit pursuant to the provisions of Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23;"
It leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
Makes it sound like you could have it in the seat and covered with towel.....Or not.....Clear as MUD.
"(K) A permit holder must have his permit identification card in his possession whenever he carries a concealable weapon. When carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4 of Chapter 31 of Title 23, a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver’s license from a permit holder. A permit holder immediately must report the loss or theft of a permit identification card to SLED headquarters. A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined twenty five dollars."
How is that not cut and dry? If you are not carrying, you do not have to notify.
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