God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality

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The United States is mentioned nowhere in Bible prophecy by name. However, as the greatest nation ever to exist --technologically and scientifically speaking-- and as a nation that seems to have been designed by God to act as midwife and protector of Israel in its rebirth in 1948, one has to wonder if America is referred to somewhere in God's Word.

The only reference we find, even obliquely, is in the Gog-Magog account of Ezekiel 38.

The "merchants of Tarshish" is reference to traders that came from the area of "Tarshish" or "land of tin." This is most often said to be the area of present-day England. The Scripture where this is mentioned is as follows:Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" (Ezek. 38:13). The "young lions" that follow "merchants of Tarshish" could include America, the offspring of Tarshish, as well as Australia, Canada, and a number of others that England spawned.

My own view is that when the rapture occurs, the US, which contains the largest numbers of true believers in Christ, will be in considerable disarray and chaos. Out of that might come a determination to join with the European Union in an effort to bring some semblance of order to the world (NWO). Thus the US could be absorbed by that growing beast-state, out of which the beast, Antichrist, will come. This last world government is seen in Daniel 7 and more details are given in Daniel 9. More on Antichrist is found in Daniel 8 and in Revelation 13, which also speaks of this beast-state in the first few verses.


Your sig........Israel........it is destroyed in the end.......how do you reconcile this?
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Christ kills the inhabitants of the earth 1/3 at a time.......this?
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The bible is clear that no one goes to heaven.........rapture?
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Isaiah 17, Ephraim suffers the same fate as Damascus.......who is Ephraim?
 
1] Your sig........Israel........it is destroyed in the end.......how do you reconcile this?
2] .Christ kills the inhabitants of the earth 1/3 at a time.......this?

3 & 4] The bible is clear that no one goes to heaven.........rapture?
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5 & 6] Isaiah 17, Ephraim suffers the same fate as Damascus.......who is Ephraim?

1] Jeremiah 31:35-36 declares: "This is what the Lord says, 'He who appoints the sun to shine by day, Who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar -- the Lord Almighty is His Name; Only if these ordinances vanish from My sight,' declares the Lord, 'will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before Me.'


2] The Book of Revelation writes of… 7 seal judgments; 7 trumpet judgments; 7 bowl judgments.

All of the judgments God waited for in history are now poured out in the Tribulation period which according to Jesus and Daniel lasts 7 years. These judgments devastate the earth. In the Tribulation the oceans become blood, most of the sea life dies, plagues, hailstones are released, and a supernatural darkness covers the earth, as God pours out His wrath on world that has rejected Christ for the worship of false gods and the man who claims to be God. Just as the judgments were literal/ physical to Egypt they will be to the world. Israel was present in Egypt during the plagues and she will be present during the Great tribulation.

SEALS

Rev. 6:2 1st seal conquers with a peace plan.

Rev.6:3-2nd Seal: Wars on earth

Rev.6:5-3rd Seal: Worldwide economic trouble

Rev.6:7-4th Seal: Death released. 1/4 of the worlds population to die by plagues, disease, and beasts of the earth

Rev.6:9-5th Seal: Persecution and mass killing of God's people worldwide

Rev.6:12-6th Seal: Massive earthquake wrath of God.

Rev.7:2-7th Seal: 144,000 Jewish males are anointed to evangelize the earth

TRUMPETS

Rev.8:7-1st Trumpet: Hail, fire, and blood. 1/3 all grass and trees burned up

Rev.8:8 -2nd Trumpet: Great mountain hits sea. 1/3 all ocean becomes blood. 1/3 all sea life dies and 1/3 all ships destroyed.

Rev.8:10-3rd Trumpet: Wormwood star hits earth. 1/3 all freshwater poisoned.

Rev.8:12-4th Trumpet: 1/3 of sun and moon darkened.

Rev.9:1-5th Trumpet: locust beasts that sting and torment men are loosed from the pit.

Rev.9:13-6th Trumpet: demons released and 200 million army kills 1/3 of the world's population.

BOWLS

Rev.16:2-1st Bowl: Terrible and painful sores break out on all who worship beast.

Rev.16:3-2nd Bowl: Entire oceans becomes blood, the sea life dies.

Rev.16:4-3rd Bowl: Fresh water becomes blood, no more fresh drinking water.

Rev.16:8-4th Bowl: Sun increased in heat and scorches and burns people. Far beyond global warming.

Rev.16:10-5th Bowl: a Supernatural darkness covers the earth

Rev.16:12-6th Bowl: Armies head toward in the Middle East for the final battle –Armageddon.

Rev.16:17-7th Bowl: Babylon destroyed, massive earthquakes, hundred pound hailstones devastate earth.





John 14:2-4
3] In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going."

4] For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17


5] Isaiah 17:3 .. The fortress disappears from Ephraim, and a kingdom from Damascus. The remnant of Aram will be like the splendor of the Israelites... 4 On that day the splendor of Jacob will fade, and his healthy body will become emaciated.... 6 Only gleanings will be left in Israel, as if an olive tree had been beaten—two or three berries at the very top of the tree, four or five on its fruitful branches.

In this prophesied event, northern and central Israel are named as taking damage and casualties, although comparatively less than Damascus (Damascus loses the kingdom, but Israel only the fortress). War is never completely one-sided. If Israel is prompted to attack Damascus, they will certainly suffer casualties in the process.

6] Ephraim (ē`frēəm), in the Bible, younger son of Joseph and Asenath and eponymous ancestor of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. His tribe occupied the rugged country around Shiloh that later came to be called Mt. Ephraim. Ephraim was also a name for the Northern Kingdom when Israel was territorially reduced, the land of outlying northern tribes having been conquered (8th cent.) by the Assyrians. Hosea was a prophet who lived and prophesied just before the destruction of Israel in 722 BC. He preached to the northern kingdom. Throughout the book you will see that he refers to Israel and Ephraim. Ephraim was the largest tribe in Israel and sometimes the whole nation was referred to as Ephraim.

Ephraim Old Testament
1.
a. the younger son of Joseph, who received the principal blessing of his grandfather Jacob (Genesis 48:8--22)
b. the tribe descended from him
c. the territory of this tribe, west of the River Jordan
2. the northern kingdom of Israel after the kingdom of Solomon had been divided into two.
 
1] Jeremiah 31:35-36 declares: "This is what the Lord says, 'He who appoints the sun to shine by day, Who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar -- the Lord Almighty is His Name; Only if these ordinances vanish from My sight,' declares the Lord, 'will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before Me.'


2] The Book of Revelation writes of… 7 seal judgments; 7 trumpet judgments; 7 bowl judgments.

All of the judgments God waited for in history are now poured out in the Tribulation period which according to Jesus and Daniel lasts 7 years. These judgments devastate the earth. In the Tribulation the oceans become blood, most of the sea life dies, plagues, hailstones are released, and a supernatural darkness covers the earth, as God pours out His wrath on world that has rejected Christ for the worship of false gods and the man who claims to be God. Just as the judgments were literal/ physical to Egypt they will be to the world. Israel was present in Egypt during the plagues and she will be present during the Great tribulation.

SEALS

Rev. 6:2 1st seal conquers with a peace plan.

Rev.6:3-2nd Seal: Wars on earth

Rev.6:5-3rd Seal: Worldwide economic trouble

Rev.6:7-4th Seal: Death released. 1/4 of the worlds population to die by plagues, disease, and beasts of the earth

Rev.6:9-5th Seal: Persecution and mass killing of God's people worldwide

Rev.6:12-6th Seal: Massive earthquake wrath of God.

Rev.7:2-7th Seal: 144,000 Jewish males are anointed to evangelize the earth

TRUMPETS

Rev.8:7-1st Trumpet: Hail, fire, and blood. 1/3 all grass and trees burned up

Rev.8:8 -2nd Trumpet: Great mountain hits sea. 1/3 all ocean becomes blood. 1/3 all sea life dies and 1/3 all ships destroyed.

Rev.8:10-3rd Trumpet: Wormwood star hits earth. 1/3 all freshwater poisoned.

Rev.8:12-4th Trumpet: 1/3 of sun and moon darkened.

Rev.9:1-5th Trumpet: locust beasts that sting and torment men are loosed from the pit.

Rev.9:13-6th Trumpet: demons released and 200 million army kills 1/3 of the world's population.

BOWLS

Rev.16:2-1st Bowl: Terrible and painful sores break out on all who worship beast.

Rev.16:3-2nd Bowl: Entire oceans becomes blood, the sea life dies.

Rev.16:4-3rd Bowl: Fresh water becomes blood, no more fresh drinking water.

Rev.16:8-4th Bowl: Sun increased in heat and scorches and burns people. Far beyond global warming.

Rev.16:10-5th Bowl: a Supernatural darkness covers the earth

Rev.16:12-6th Bowl: Armies head toward in the Middle East for the final battle –Armageddon.

Rev.16:17-7th Bowl: Babylon destroyed, massive earthquakes, hundred pound hailstones devastate earth.





John 14:2-4
3] In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going."

4] For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17


5] Isaiah 17:3 .. The fortress disappears from Ephraim, and a kingdom from Damascus. The remnant of Aram will be like the splendor of the Israelites... 4 On that day the splendor of Jacob will fade, and his healthy body will become emaciated.... 6 Only gleanings will be left in Israel, as if an olive tree had been beaten—two or three berries at the very top of the tree, four or five on its fruitful branches.

In this prophesied event, northern and central Israel are named as taking damage and casualties, although comparatively less than Damascus (Damascus loses the kingdom, but Israel only the fortress). War is never completely one-sided. If Israel is prompted to attack Damascus, they will certainly suffer casualties in the process.

6] Ephraim (ē`frēəm), in the Bible, younger son of Joseph and Asenath and eponymous ancestor of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. His tribe occupied the rugged country around Shiloh that later came to be called Mt. Ephraim. Ephraim was also a name for the Northern Kingdom when Israel was territorially reduced, the land of outlying northern tribes having been conquered (8th cent.) by the Assyrians. Hosea was a prophet who lived and prophesied just before the destruction of Israel in 722 BC. He preached to the northern kingdom. Throughout the book you will see that he refers to Israel and Ephraim. Ephraim was the largest tribe in Israel and sometimes the whole nation was referred to as Ephraim.

Ephraim Old Testament
1.
a. the younger son of Joseph, who received the principal blessing of his grandfather Jacob (Genesis 48:8--22)
b. the tribe descended from him
c. the territory of this tribe, west of the River Jordan
2. the northern kingdom of Israel after the kingdom of Solomon had been divided into two.

FYI. I just bought and have received a Hebrew/Greek/Interlinear Bible and have once angina jumped into the Word. Well worth the dollars and it is printed in the USA. Just for thought.
 
FYI. I just bought and have received a Hebrew/Greek/Interlinear Bible and have once angina jumped into the Word. Well worth the dollars and it is printed in the USA. Just for thought.
A good thought! Happy is the man who personally appropriates God's word, and practically uses it as his comfort and counsellor, - Psalm 119:105..Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path".
 
I think listening to some crazy "speak in tongues" would make more sense than what this initially-intriguing topic has degenerated into.
 
A good thought! Happy is the man who personally appropriates God's word, and practically uses it as his comfort and counsellor, - Psalm 119:105..Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path".

The issue/problem that I see is 1. People do not read the Word to know the rules, 2. People do not believe the Word therefore it is just a good book about old dead folks.
The Word is out dated, the Constitution is outdated and Barry Hussein-Sotelo-Obama has read neither and if he has does not understand either and if he does is a dedicated ideologue.
G_d does not change, tyranny does not stay hidden long nor does it change.
Love ya Bro and Sisters In Christ.
 
1] Jeremiah 31:35-36 declares: "This is what the Lord says, 'He who appoints the sun to shine by day, Who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar -- the Lord Almighty is His Name; Only if these ordinances vanish from My sight,' declares the Lord, 'will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before Me.'


2] The Book of Revelation writes of… 7 seal judgments; 7 trumpet judgments; 7 bowl judgments.

All of the judgments God waited for in history are now poured out in the Tribulation period which according to Jesus and Daniel lasts 7 years. These judgments devastate the earth. In the Tribulation the oceans become blood, most of the sea life dies, plagues, hailstones are released, and a supernatural darkness covers the earth, as God pours out His wrath on world that has rejected Christ for the worship of false gods and the man who claims to be God. Just as the judgments were literal/ physical to Egypt they will be to the world. Israel was present in Egypt during the plagues and she will be present during the Great tribulation.

SEALS

Rev. 6:2 1st seal conquers with a peace plan.

Rev.6:3-2nd Seal: Wars on earth

Rev.6:5-3rd Seal: Worldwide economic trouble

Rev.6:7-4th Seal: Death released. 1/4 of the worlds population to die by plagues, disease, and beasts of the earth

Rev.6:9-5th Seal: Persecution and mass killing of God's people worldwide

Rev.6:12-6th Seal: Massive earthquake wrath of God.

Rev.7:2-7th Seal: 144,000 Jewish males are anointed to evangelize the earth

TRUMPETS

Rev.8:7-1st Trumpet: Hail, fire, and blood. 1/3 all grass and trees burned up

Rev.8:8 -2nd Trumpet: Great mountain hits sea. 1/3 all ocean becomes blood. 1/3 all sea life dies and 1/3 all ships destroyed.

Rev.8:10-3rd Trumpet: Wormwood star hits earth. 1/3 all freshwater poisoned.

Rev.8:12-4th Trumpet: 1/3 of sun and moon darkened.

Rev.9:1-5th Trumpet: locust beasts that sting and torment men are loosed from the pit.

Rev.9:13-6th Trumpet: demons released and 200 million army kills 1/3 of the world's population.

BOWLS

Rev.16:2-1st Bowl: Terrible and painful sores break out on all who worship beast.

Rev.16:3-2nd Bowl: Entire oceans becomes blood, the sea life dies.

Rev.16:4-3rd Bowl: Fresh water becomes blood, no more fresh drinking water.

Rev.16:8-4th Bowl: Sun increased in heat and scorches and burns people. Far beyond global warming.

Rev.16:10-5th Bowl: a Supernatural darkness covers the earth

Rev.16:12-6th Bowl: Armies head toward in the Middle East for the final battle –Armageddon.

Rev.16:17-7th Bowl: Babylon destroyed, massive earthquakes, hundred pound hailstones devastate earth.





John 14:2-4
3] In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going."

4] For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17


5] Isaiah 17:3 .. The fortress disappears from Ephraim, and a kingdom from Damascus. The remnant of Aram will be like the splendor of the Israelites... 4 On that day the splendor of Jacob will fade, and his healthy body will become emaciated.... 6 Only gleanings will be left in Israel, as if an olive tree had been beaten—two or three berries at the very top of the tree, four or five on its fruitful branches.

In this prophesied event, northern and central Israel are named as taking damage and casualties, although comparatively less than Damascus (Damascus loses the kingdom, but Israel only the fortress). War is never completely one-sided. If Israel is prompted to attack Damascus, they will certainly suffer casualties in the process.

6] Ephraim (ē`frēəm), in the Bible, younger son of Joseph and Asenath and eponymous ancestor of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. His tribe occupied the rugged country around Shiloh that later came to be called Mt. Ephraim. Ephraim was also a name for the Northern Kingdom when Israel was territorially reduced, the land of outlying northern tribes having been conquered (8th cent.) by the Assyrians. Hosea was a prophet who lived and prophesied just before the destruction of Israel in 722 BC. He preached to the northern kingdom. Throughout the book you will see that he refers to Israel and Ephraim. Ephraim was the largest tribe in Israel and sometimes the whole nation was referred to as Ephraim.

Ephraim Old Testament
1.
a. the younger son of Joseph, who received the principal blessing of his grandfather Jacob (Genesis 48:8--22)
b. the tribe descended from him
c. the territory of this tribe, west of the River Jordan
2. the northern kingdom of Israel after the kingdom of Solomon had been divided into two.

1) Don't really understand where you are going with this........descendents/seed........is the Nation, not the physical land. Jacob was renamed Israel by God. His promises/covenants are always with the people, not with lands.
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2) The seals are poured out at the end of the tribulation period. The 'Sword of God' is mentioned throughout the bible, God's wrath/judgement. Are you suggesting that God/Christ is not, does not, will not, directly intervene? Christ is the Word. The Word created man, earth, showed Himself to Moses, His finger etched out the Ten Commandments on the tablets, Christ Himself killed the first-born in Egypt.....etc....the Word is the Communicator with man. Christ is referred throughout the bible as Judge. Jesus came to earth with one message then returned to His Judgment Seat. How do you conclude that Christ will not intervene? will not render His wrath? The tribulation period is 7 years, Christ returns at the 3.5 year mark, all the while He is rendering Judgement.
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3-4) Exodus 24:9-10, Ezekiel 1:22, Ezekiel 10:1, Rev 4:6, Rev 15:2 Study the 'Sea of Glass', what I consider the first Heaven. This is where the saints will meet Him in the air/clouds. A place of safety where the spirit beings can watch the transformation of the earth and prepare for the building of the New Jerusalem.
God's Kingdom is on earth, nowhere is it mentioned that those in Heaven are brought down to earth after the Kingdom is built. The bible is clear that no one goes to heaven, study 'sleeping in Christ' (1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also who sleep in Jesus will God bring with him). John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man who is in heaven. Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit on my right hand,
 
As to the subject of the Lost Tribes, Ephraim-
I cannot convince you of what you will not see, however, consider David.
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Acts 13:23 Of this man's seed has God according to his promise raised to Israel a Savior, Jesus:
British Throne of David
 
I have read arguments that Ephraim is actually amerika and not England.
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This one is a bit more convincing only in that amerika is quickly headed down the the sh-tter.
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The only evidence for gods existence is someone told you he does. Well that, and the part of our stupid monkey mind unable to separate fact from fiction, truth from a well told lie, and reality from the world inside our self-deluded brains.

There are a few things that need to be cleared up, first off the scientific method. If you don't actually know what this is and cannot be asked to click the link, then please don't bother replying to this post. The last things we need is some ignorant fool posting ignorant foolishness in this thread.

Before providing evidence for the existence of god, God, GAWD, Thor, Raven, Spider Man, or any other fictional characters, please make sure you are neither blinded by your own bias or deluded into thinking your fallacies are true.

Any evidence to be provided for the existence of anything from the realm of the supernatural must conform to basic scientific standards for "evidence" i.e. it must be testable, as in outside of your skull and within the realm of reality to which others have access and be repeatedly tested to produce said evidence.

Every argument for god starts with an assumption, the assumption that god exists. Where does the evidence to support this assumption come from? The bible? It's a book. If the bible is proof of god's existence then Dune is proof that the Freemen exist. Mickey Mouse is real, Smurfs really are running from Gargamel.

What about the unmoved mover? The cause that started it all? You got this idea from the bible, and it has already been demonstrated that the bible proves nothing.

The world is so perfect for human existence, we are so perfectly made. God did it! Again, this idea originates in the bible (well that and everyone else who thought of it first). The world is not perfect for human existence. 200 years ago if you made it to the age of 21 you were the 1 in 3 who did so. As for us being well made, thousands of genetic diseases and disorders, wisdom teeth, the appendix, need I really go on?

The reality is this: If you strip away all of the preconceptions you have thanks to your years of religious indoctrination you are left with a very simple conclusion: There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever to support your belief. The spiritual is a lie. Your pastor/preacher/minister/bishop? Those guys have a very strong financial incentive to keep you believing and thus paying their living expenses. Having reached the conclusion that your entire system of belief is purely irrational you must come to the next conclusion: Continued belief in the irrational is not sane. If you believe that it rains dough nuts every Sunday, you are not sane. Just because billions share your insanity does not make you any less insane. If every person on this planet tomorrow decided that the sun was made of marshmallows and chocolate sauce then every person on this planet would be delusional.

So the debate is basically two-fold: First am I right or wrong? and if I am wrong can you follow the rules laid out by science to prove it? The second? Never mind, lets leave it at the first.

If you make a claim for god based on evidence, the one real rule I would like to enforce is you had better back up that claim, and when you get called on your fallacy don't start dancing the cognitive dissonance conga line.

For those about to say the scientific method can't explain this or that or the other thing: Neither can you. Keep in mind that you are alive today because of science, the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the house you sleep in, the roads, the Internet, your phone/pc/alarm clock/tampons/medicine/every single aspect of your existence outside of the most trivial, has been brought to you by the wonders of science. If you want to live otherwise you are going to have to take off all your clothes, walk out into the forest, and start eating berries and hunting bare handed to survive.
 
^^^ Funny post ^^^ It's full of lies & distortions of truth. But, it's funny.

There is far more evidence of the universe being divinely created than there is evidence of Darwinism or the Big bang. Personally, I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

(Especially, when science is continuing to discover that even the smallest know elements in the universe seem to have some for of divine intelligence behind them.)


Believe in the big bang?

You must assume some form of matter or energy exploded to form the universe. (Talk about beginning on an obscure assumption!)


Where did the matter or mass of energy come from?
What set the explosion off?


Science dictates all mass & energy have a source. Science also dictates an explosion happens because something set of the reaction.

Do you believe aliens seeded the Earth?

Who are these aliens and where did they come from?
Who created them?



Do you believe in the "multiple" universe theory?


Where did multiple universes come from?
How did they get there?




Nope, just don't have enough faith to believe those crazy ideas.

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OK, The Bible teaches there is an unseen/invisible realm of existence called the spirit. Enter science fact- The world of Quanta.

The Bible tells us that God spoke creation into existence out of the invisible realm.

Quantum science has already proven (Scientific FACT), EVERYTHING in the KNOWN universe is made up of sound waves. (Strings of data that keeps them in their perspective form.)


The Bible says the way we think & observe things can/does have an affect on our life.

Enter Science fact again- Scientist have discovered that the way you observe things in the quantum world does have an affect on their behavior. It has also been proven that sound waves can & do have an affect on the material world.​


I really can't take the time to go over all the scientific data that supports the Bible. I also find it very strange that one would proclaim that science disproves God. When the ONLY way it will do that is those who make such claims ignore the very precepts science demands.


The REAL objections you and others have is NOT at all based on science! The real objections of all atheists to the Bible & the existence of God stems from nothing more than "REBELLION" to truth and morality that belief in the Holy Bible would dictate you live your life by.





I suggest that people read a book called "Quantum Glory" in my previous posts. I want link the book again here. But, if you're serious about proclaiming science contradicts the Bible, I really suggest you reading that book and educating yourself a little bit more.


Like I said, I've studied the REAL evidence and I just don't have the faith to be an atheist.


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It's God's science.
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Explain the end of time and space........where is it? what is beyond it?
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Man will never fully understand the science of God, not even in the spirit realm of the afterlife.
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Yes the earth is millions and millions of years old........hundreds of millions........
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Lucifer was banished to the earth, he and his demons had millions of years to effect the seed of man/animal, they did have effect but they could not destroy the seed of man because even they did not fully understand the mind/science of God.......you'll find this account in Genesis.
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Note: Lucifer was creation of God, a servant. Lucifer was the closest and most knowledgeable of God and His plan for man, he was in line behind Christ/Word in rank (if you car to think of it that way) and he was envious of Christ and His position. Lucifer knew he would never be a part of the Family of God, thus the reason for his attempted coup of Heaven. Of any of the spirit beings to have knowledge of God's science it would have been Lucifer.
 
The only evidence for gods existence is someone told you he does. Well that, and the part of our stupid monkey mind unable to separate fact from fiction, truth from a well told lie, and reality from the world inside our self-deluded brains.

There are a few things that need to be cleared up, first off the scientific method. If you don't actually know what this is and cannot be asked to click the link, then please don't bother replying to this post. The last things we need is some ignorant fool posting ignorant foolishness in this thread.

Before providing evidence for the existence of god, God, GAWD, Thor, Raven, Spider Man, or any other fictional characters, please make sure you are neither blinded by your own bias or deluded into thinking your fallacies are true.

Any evidence to be provided for the existence of anything from the realm of the supernatural must conform to basic scientific standards for "evidence" i.e. it must be testable, as in outside of your skull and within the realm of reality to which others have access and be repeatedly tested to produce said evidence.

Every argument for god starts with an assumption, the assumption that god exists. Where does the evidence to support this assumption come from? The bible? It's a book. If the bible is proof of god's existence then Dune is proof that the Freemen exist. Mickey Mouse is real, Smurfs really are running from Gargamel.

What about the unmoved mover? The cause that started it all? You got this idea from the bible, and it has already been demonstrated that the bible proves nothing.

The world is so perfect for human existence, we are so perfectly made. God did it! Again, this idea originates in the bible (well that and everyone else who thought of it first). The world is not perfect for human existence. 200 years ago if you made it to the age of 21 you were the 1 in 3 who did so. As for us being well made, thousands of genetic diseases and disorders, wisdom teeth, the appendix, need I really go on?

The reality is this: If you strip away all of the preconceptions you have thanks to your years of religious indoctrination you are left with a very simple conclusion: There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever to support your belief. The spiritual is a lie. Your pastor/preacher/minister/bishop? Those guys have a very strong financial incentive to keep you believing and thus paying their living expenses. Having reached the conclusion that your entire system of belief is purely irrational you must come to the next conclusion: Continued belief in the irrational is not sane. If you believe that it rains dough nuts every Sunday, you are not sane. Just because billions share your insanity does not make you any less insane. If every person on this planet tomorrow decided that the sun was made of marshmallows and chocolate sauce then every person on this planet would be delusional.

So the debate is basically two-fold: First am I right or wrong? and if I am wrong can you follow the rules laid out by science to prove it? The second? Never mind, lets leave it at the first.

If you make a claim for god based on evidence, the one real rule I would like to enforce is you had better back up that claim, and when you get called on your fallacy don't start dancing the cognitive dissonance conga line.

For those about to say the scientific method can't explain this or that or the other thing: Neither can you. Keep in mind that you are alive today because of science, the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the house you sleep in, the roads, the Internet, your phone/pc/alarm clock/tampons/medicine/every single aspect of your existence outside of the most trivial, has been brought to you by the wonders of science. If you want to live otherwise you are going to have to take off all your clothes, walk out into the forest, and start eating berries and hunting bare handed to survive.

You attempt through your ignorance of God to mock Him. God says He will not be mocked.
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You simply have no biblical knowledge, you are ignorant.
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It's God's science.
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Explain the end of time and space........where is it? what is beyond it?
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Man will never fully understand the science of God, not even in the spirit realm of the afterlife.
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Yes the earth is millions and millions of years old........hundreds of millions........
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Lucifer was banished to the earth, he and his demons had millions of years to effect the seed of man/animal, they did have effect but they could not destroy the seed of man because even they did not fully understand the mind/science of God.......you'll find this account in Genesis.
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Note: Lucifer was creation of God, a servant. Lucifer was the closest and most knowledgeable of God and His plan for man, he was in line behind Christ/Word in rank (if you car to think of it that way) and he was envious of Christ and His position. Lucifer knew he would never be a part of the Family of God, thus the reason for his attempted coup of Heaven. Of any of the spirit beings to have knowledge of God's science it would have been Lucifer.
 
^^^ Funny post ^^^ It's full of lies & distortions of truth. But, it's funny.
Yet you offer no refute and no cite to any of the nonsense you claim supports the existence of gawd, and nothing to disprove anything I stated.

Not Funny, sad that I am right and you are now on the congnitive dissonance bandwagon - congratulations!

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Signs of the End of the Age & This Last generation.

Zechariah 12:3

"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be assembled against it".



Obama secretly pledges to divide Jerusalem. Will press Israel into new so-called land-for-peace talks.
Obama secretly pledges to divide Jerusalem

 
Signs of the End of the Age & This Last generation.


In the past couple of years it has become even clearer that Isaiah’s prophecy of the destruction of Damascus will soon come to fulfillment, perhaps being part of the Psalm 83 scenario. If so, it would explain why Syria is not included among the coalition of Moslem nations who will gather against Israel in the Battle of Ezekiel 38. It’s been known for some time that Syria has one of the world’s most advanced chemical weapons programs, even though such things are illegal, and is probably in possession of the bulk of Saddam Hussein’s WMDs that the MSM (main stream media) delights in telling you never existed. Recent satellite imagery suggests significant efforts to update Syria’s known chemical weapons facilities. They’ve also mobilized reserves, set up alternate communication centers, and moved all official historical and legal documents out of Damascus. They did this because they believe that Israel will respond to a chemical attack by destroying Damascus with nuclear weaponry. They’ve recalled all their citizens living in Lebanon. They’ve purchased Russian arms and defensive systems costing hundreds of millions of dollars in an effort to protect Damascus.

In July 2007, a chemical warhead exploded at a Syrian missile facility while being fitted to a Scud missile, killing dozens of Iranian and Syrian technicians. The only likely target within range of the missile was Tel Aviv. Then, just 2 months later, the Israeli bombing of a secret Syrian facility deep inside the country made headlines and demonstrated Israel’s ability to render the Russian state-of-the-art anti-air defenses ineffective. These systems were sold to both Syria and Iran to protect against US or Israeli attacks by air. The presence of nuclear materials at the Syrian base has been confirmed, so it might have been the location of at least a dirty bomb assembly plant and perhaps even a clandestine nuclear weapons facility. The North Koreans were heavily involved in this, and are suspected of still helping Syria to develop some kind of nuclear weapons capability. More recently Syria has purchased untold millions of dollars worth of offensive and defensive weaponry from Russia and Iran, making every population center in Israel a viable target. Passing a portion of this weaponry through to Hezbollah, they’ve all but transformed this terrorist organization into a regiment of the Syrian army, and made Lebanon their first line of defense against Israel. While some of this is more than the MSM has been willing to share with you, it is a matter of public record. My guess is that there’s a lot more going on that we don’t know about, making matters even more urgent. So let’s take another look at Isaiah 17, An Oracle Against Damascus, while it’s still prophecy.

An Oracle Concerning Damascus:

“See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins. The cities of Aroer will be deserted and left to flocks, which will lie down, with no one to make them afraid. (Isaiah 17:1-2) To this day Damascus is thought to be the world’s oldest continuously inhabited city with a 5000-year history and a population close to 2 million, yet Isaiah 17:1 indicates that it will one day cease to exist. The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus; the remnant of Aram will be like the glory of the Israelites,” declares the LORD Almighty. “In that day the glory of Jacob will fade; the fat of his body will waste away. It will be as when a reaper gathers the standing grain and harvests the grain with his arm- as when a man gleans heads of grain in the Valley of Rephaim. (Isaiah 17:3-5) Jacob and Ephraim are alternate names for the Northern Kingdom, and Samaria was its capital. Oh, the raging of many nations- they rage like the raging sea! Oh, the uproar of the peoples- they roar like the roaring of great waters! Although the peoples roar like the roar of surging waters, when he rebukes them they flee far away, driven before the wind like chaff on the hills, like tumbleweed before a gale. In the evening, sudden terror! Before the morning, they are gone! This is the portion of those who loot us, the lot of those who plunder us. (Isaiah 17:12-14)

The cry of anti-Israeli sentiment can be heard around the globe. The various Mid-East “peace” conferences combined with the Gaza war and the recent boarding of the Turkish/Terrorist flotilla have left Israel standing alone against all but irresistible pressure to negotiate away its very existence. Syria and Iran are dead certain that Israel will attack soon, and are preparing accordingly. Israel’s other next-door neighbors are also preparing for war, and indeed many nations are taking sides. Israel is not blind to these mounting threats, but until lately seems to have been ignoring them. That’s about to stop. Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu has told the world he will not apologize for defending his country and will continue to do so even if it results in more confrontations. We can easily envision a scenario that escalates into the final fulfillment of Isaiah 17, the destruction of Damascus. There will be sudden terror in the evening, and before morning they will be gone. If you listen carefully, you can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.

- Jack Kelley -
 
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