Nick Burkhardt
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That is what this P.I. says you should do after a self defense shooting.
IMHO; You should only flee the scene if you feel your life is still endanger. (You could very well still be endanger in some situations and places.)
Contrary to popular belief- NO LEO wants a victim of a violent crime to remain in the danger zone "IF" they aren't safe!
Call 911 ASAP but give the basic information needed to get an officer and/or ambulance on the scene.
911 Operator: "911 operator. What is the state of your emergency?"
Me: "I was robbed. I was attacked and I had to defend myself. I need an ambulance and a police officer. I feel my life may still be endanger please hurry. I am a (give a detailed description of your self and where you will be at when officers arrive.) Please do NOT shoot me! I am the VICTIM of an attack and I had to defend myself. I am scared please hurry! My life still may be endanger! I am a GG. I was attacked and I had to defend myself. Please don't shoot me. I am afraid please help me. Hurry! Please Hurry! I am a _____________ I'm wearing ____________ I am standing ___________ I looking & listening for sirens! Where are you? Please hurry! I need your help! I'm afraid!"
Then, no matter what questions the 911 operator may throw at you share only the minimum information while re-emphasizing that you are the VICTIM and you had to defend yourself.
As long as you make it clear that you feel you are still very much endanger because of a BG's friends or increasing crowd violence, you should be able to remove yourself to a safe place and wait for law enforcement to meet you. (This actually happens everyday.)
But, if you don't make it clear to 911 that you don't feel safe remaining at the scene, or if you fail to call 911 ASAP, you will be more likely to face a lot more suspicion from LE.
Once the officers arrive, do EVERYTHING in you power to cooperate without incriminating yourself. Obey all commands immediately! Keep your mouth SHUT; except for three things-
1. Ask to be taken to the hospital for observation because you are not sure the state of any possible injuries you may have suffered. (Shock is a REAL danger when you have go through the trauma of a violent crime.)
2. Ask to contact an attorney before any official statement can be given on the event. It doesn't do any harm to tell the investigating or arresting officers that you don't feel a beneficial statement can be made in your current mental state.
3. Ask LEO's, EMT's and hospital personnel to contact your spouse or emergency contact person ASAP.
I'm not an attorney so this is just my 02c. But, I do know 1st hand the legal trouble that leaving the scene after you had to defend yourself and "not" calling 911 first can cause you if you aren't careful. Personally, I would never recommend leaving unless you are still endanger. Nor, would I recommend letting anyone else (except maybe your spouse or friend), call 911. However, I would recommend being the FIRST to call 911 if at all possible.
Regardless of who calls first, make sure you or someone that was a witness that represents you is on the phone with 911 ASAP! We all have seen what happens when a BG has his pals call 911 and they are the only ones reporting what happened. We all know what MSM will be doing non-stop for days & weeks to come if there is no counter 911 or witness reports to what pookie's mom & pals will be saying.
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When dealing with LE say nothing. The more you say the more likely you'll talk yourself into handcuffs. The reason we recommend this is because persons involved in a violent confrontation will not remember or describe the events with accuracy. The is due to a variety of psychological and physiological effects. Something not explained correctly may lead to your arrest. It's the innocent who need an attorney. Let the guilty lie for themselves.I think that the PI is trying to convey "Don't admit to anything". If you do the whole I was in fear for my life speal and admit to shooting the bad guy, the cops will arrest and book you based on that confession then let the DA sort it out.
Here is some good info from a police officer. Good read.
Street robberies and you - The Basics - AR15.COM
This guy is way off base. I read until I hit "Dynamics of Encounters - Hold up men target victims on the street in an impulsive, opportunistic manner. They see someone and make a quick judgment call on whether to rob them."Here is some good info from a police officer. Good read.
Street robberies and you - The Basics - AR15.COM
Certified PP instructors will include more than gun fighting in a PP class. In fact the bulk of the courses include many topics, leaving the fight as the tool of last resort. Most courses will delve into the world of the offender, his motives and methods. Certified instructors are schooled in this area as part of their certification. And then again, some of us grew-up around the hood and saw a lot.The guy posted his stories as he saw them, he was law enforcement, if I had to guess. One post calls BS and the other one dead wrong. Well, good luck to you guys, I'm out of here, have a great day.
The guy posted his stories as he saw them, he was law enforcement, if I had to guess. One post calls BS and the other one dead wrong. Well, good luck to you guys, I'm out of here, have a great day.
The guy posted his stories as he saw them, he was law enforcement, if I had to guess. One post calls BS and the other one dead wrong. Well, good luck to you guys, I'm out of here, have a great day.