Do you pay attention to the signs? Follow the law?

[Bikenut]

Blah Blah Blah...

STILL ZERO, ZILCH, NADA proof from any of you that my carrying an inanimate object concealed infringes on anyones "Rights".

"Property" rights of others END at the soles of my feet (personal space) that area is MY "Property" NOT THEIRS, EVER! No matter where my feet happen to be...

Those of you so darn bent on shoving these false (unproven) beliefs of "Private property" down our throats with NO PROOF have UTTERLY FAILED to take into account that the clothes you wear on your body are yours and yours alone,and the exact same thing can be said about anything else you have on or about you (firearms for example here) is yours alone, and is NO-ONE elses business,period......

If my carrying a firearm somewhere is against some others property rights,then so could wearing deodorant or lip balm or pink panties......Which is absolutely stupid, so why do you insist it is any different at all when it comes to a gun? So take your idiotic claims and shove them where the sun dont shine....

Actually your freedom to exercise your rights end when the soles of your feet cross the property line of a private property owner. This has been explained ad nauseum but your reluctance to accept those explanations does not negate the validity of those explanations.

Now... here is the reality.... if you think your right to bear arms is absolute and that a private property owner does not have the right to kick your arrogant arse off his property.. and have you arrested for refusing to leave to boot... the explain why property owners can...

...kick you to the curb if you disobey their "not guns" rule on/in their property? And have you arrested if you do not leave because you were told to leave due to your disobeying a "no guns" rule?

You want everyone else to explain why your right to bear arms trumps the property owner's right to ban guns... and that has been done... sooo ... now it is your turn...

PROVE your right to bear arms trumps the property owner's right to ban guns. PROVE it. Don't just whine and complain... show us the actual factual legal proof!

And DO NOT give us that old crap that the Constitution and 2nd Amendment says so... the Constitution and the Bill of Rights only binds the government NOT citizens. Even the recent Supreme Court decisions about the 2nd Amendment only bind the government! But if you think the Constitution and the Bill of Rights applies to citizens then ... PROVE IT.

Show us where your rights are absolute. Show us the facts. Man up and cite and/or give links to actual factual proof.

 

[Axeanda45]

Actually your freedom to exercise your rights end at the property line of a private property owner. This has been explained ad nauseum but your reluctance to accept those explanations does not negate the validity of those explanations.

Now... here is the reality.... if you think your right to bear arms is absolute and that a private property owner does not have the right to kick your arrogant arse off his property.. and have you arrested for refusing to leave to boot... the explain why property owners can...

...kick you to the curb if you disobey their "not guns" rule on/in their property?

You want everyone else to explain why your right to bear arms trumps the property owner's right to ban guns... and that has been done... sooo ... now it is your turn...

PROVE your right to bear arms trumps the property owner's right to ban guns. PROVE it. Don't just whine and complain... show us the actual factual legal proof!

And DO NOT give us that old crap that the Constitution and 2nd Amendment says so... the Constitution and the Bill of Rights only binds the government NOT citizens. Even the recent Supreme Court decisions about the 2nd Amendment only bind the government! But if you think the Constitution and the Bill of Rights applies to citizens then ... PROVE IT.

Show us where your rights are absolute. Show us the facts. Man up and cite and/or give links to actual factual proof.

And you betcha that is a challenge.

So, you absolutely refuse to provide any proof at all, and NOW use the ruse of me proving myself right?..... I have asked at least 30 or 40 times on this forum in many threads for proof and YOU HAVE NEVER PROVIDED ANY AT ALL!!!

Sorry, I asked first.... IF YOU CANNOT PROVE ME WRONG OR PROVIDE PROOF THAT YOUR SIDE IS CORRECT, I win by default...

 

[Axeanda45]

Let me make this extremely simple for you... Give us the actual LAWS (That line up with the Constitution) that SAY that our right to bear arms (the God given / merely recognized by the Constitution RIGHT to the tools for self defense that harm no-one except when actually used on them) ENDS or DISAPPEARS once we pass some imaginary line while walking this earth....

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Blah Blah Blah...

STILL ZERO, ZILCH, NADA proof from any of you that my carrying an inanimate object concealed infringes on anyones "Rights".

"Property" rights of others END at the soles of my feet (personal space) that area is MY "Property" NOT THEIRS, EVER! No matter where my feet happen to be...

Those of you so darn bent on shoving these false (unproven) beliefs of "Private property" down our throats with NO PROOF have UTTERLY FAILED to take into account that the clothes you wear on your body are yours and yours alone,and the exact same thing can be said about anything else you have on or about you (firearms for example here) is yours alone, and is NO-ONE elses business,period......

If my carrying a firearm somewhere is against some others property rights,then so could wearing deodorant or lip balm or pink panties......Which is absolutely stupid, so why do you insist it is any different at all when it comes to a gun? So take your idiotic claims and shove them where the sun dont shine....

Whoa! Somebody needs a hug!!

 

[Bikenut]

So, you absolutely refuse to provide any proof at all, and NOW use the ruse of me proving myself right?..... I have asked at least 30 or 40 times on this forum in many threads for proof and YOU HAVE NEVER PROVIDED ANY AT ALL!!!

Sorry, I asked first.... IF YOU CANNOT PROVE ME WRONG OR PROVIDE PROOF THAT YOUR SIDE IS CORRECT, I win by default...

LOL... so that is what this is about... you make a statement and refuse to prove the veracity of it.. then demand others prove you are wrong... then refuse to accept the proof offered that shows you are wrong... and you win?

Sorry .. that isn't the way things work. You said it.. YOU prove what you said is the truth. YOU man up and prove your statements are factual and backed by valid researchable cites and/or links. Your failure to prove what you say is factual means... you lose by default.

Man up... show us where what you say is factual. Failure to do so means ... you have no credibility and your argument has no veracity.

One more time... if what you say about your right to bear arms doesn't infringe upon the private property owner's right to make the rules on/in his property... then why can he kick your arrogant arse out if you disobey his "no guns" rule?

Man up and show us the proof! Answer the question with cites and/or links to laws.... or other factual evidence that your statements are valid.

 

[Bikenut]

Let me make this extremely simple for you... Give us the actual LAWS (That line up with the Constitution) that SAY that our right to bear arms (the God given / merely recognized by the Constitution RIGHT to the tools for self defense that harm no-one except when actually used on them) ENDS or DISAPPEARS once we pass some imaginary line while walking this earth....

What freaking part of "the Constitution and Amendments only applies to the government but do not apply to citizens!!!" are you unable to understand?

 

[Bikenut]

Let me make this extremely simple for you... Give us the actual LAWS (That line up with the Constitution) that SAY that our right to bear arms (the God given / merely recognized by the Constitution RIGHT to the tools for self defense that harm no-one except when actually used on them) ENDS or DISAPPEARS once we pass some imaginary line while walking this earth....

Let me make this simple for you... give us the actual laws that say your right to bear arms continues even if you pass a private property line? YOU are the one saying it does so man up and show us where it does.

Show proof of what you say.

 

[Axeanda45]

What freaking part of "the Constitution and Amendments only applies to the government but do not apply to citizens!!! are you unable to understand?

So, according to you, a right that humans have had since time began now suddenly disappear once we cross an imaginary line?

Nature proves you wrong... A firearm or a stick or a knife etc... are our claws....

I suppose you advocate cutting the tops off the Oak trees so the Maples can be equal?

 

[Bikenut]

So, according to you, a right that humans have had since time began now suddenly disappear once we cross an imaginary line?

Nature proves you wrong... A firearm or a stick or a knife etc... are our claws....

I suppose you advocate cutting the tops off the Oak trees so the Maples can be equal?

What you fail to understand is that humans have had the right to control their property since time began... now...

Show me the laws that uphold your statements...

Show me the laws that uphold your statements...

Show me the laws that uphold your statements...

Failure to do so is... failure.

 

[Axeanda45]

According to Bikenut........

Humans only have the right to have or carry the tools to defend themselves (inanimate objects that harm no-one except when actually being used) in certain places..... or you are somehow, in his mind "infringing" on some "right" he has yet to prove to actually exist.

Well, actually, he just says you cant have them without "permission" or when others say it is okay, or in certain locations, but not another......

I disagree, I must be stupid....

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Let me make this extremely simple for you... Give us the actual LAWS (That line up with the Constitution) that SAY that our right to bear arms (the God given / merely recognized by the Constitution RIGHT to the tools for self defense that harm no-one except when actually used on them) ENDS or DISAPPEARS once we pass some imaginary line while walking this earth....

Einstein said it best: you can't fix dumb.

This conversation is going nowhere. You can't change a car into a butterfly and you sure as heck can't get the point across to this guy.
This dead horse has been beaten into jello with no positive outcome. Time to remove insanity from the equation and close this thread.. Just sayin... Ya know?

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I disagree, I must be stupid....

Just remember, YOU said it first!
(I agree with you on this point!)

 

[Bikenut]

According to Bikenut, Humans only have the right to defend themselves when others say it is okay, or in certain locations, but not another...... I disagree, I must be stupid....

According to you your rights trump private property rights....

PROVE IT! Show us the laws! Stop ranting and man up and actually cite and/or link to something that supports your claim.

Failure to provide proof equals........... failure.

And if you cannot provide proof then your arguments are.... irrelevant, pointless, and invalid.

 

[Axeanda45]

Please show us in nature where a cat is not allowed to have its claws on it when it walks onto the dogs property.... Only then will your side be proven right...

 

[Bikenut]

Please show us in nature where a cat is not allowed to have its claws on it when it walks onto the dogs property.... Only then will your side be proven right...

Failure to provide cites and/or links to laws that support your contention that your right to bear arms trumps the private property owner's right to ban guns equals.... failure.

Stop trying to deflect and redirect the conversation. Man up!

 

[Rhino]

So... pointing out that none of your "arguments/writing/posts" have proven a solitary thing is unintelligent?

You actually think you've proven that?

Link Removed

I'm sorry, but you need a napkin. There's still a little bull$*it on the corner of your mouth. Thanks for the laugh though.

 

[Axeanda45]

Failure to provide cites and/or links to laws that support your contention that your right to bear arms trumps the private property owner's right to ban guns equals.... failure.

Stop trying to deflect and redirect the conversation. Man up!

You insist on spouting off about these "Private property rights" yet have never shown where they exist or that they trump anything... Why do you refuse to give us cites when asked, yet want me to do it?

 

[Bikenut]

You insist on spouting off about these "Private property rights" yet have never shown where they exist or that they trump anything... Why do you refuse to give us cites when asked, yet want me to do it?

YOU said your right to bear arms trumps the private property right to ban the right to bear arms. Now...

PROVE IT!

Stop with the deflecting and attempts to redirect the conversation and ... PROVE WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUTH.

And you certainly did follow this link concerning property rights from the respected Cato Institute that was provided in post #47.... didn't you?

http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb111/hb111-34.pdf

You said your right to bear arms trumps the private property owner's right to ban guns... now YOU prove you are right.

Again...

Failure to provide actual factual proof in the form of cites and/or links to laws that support your contention that your right to bear arms trumps the private property owner's right to ban guns is....

... failure.

Now... PROVE IT! Show us the cites and/or links... man up and prove what you said is factual.

 

[Axeanda45]

So, an OPINION of some "institute", even when it goes against nature (natural law) is proof of something? now, I dont care who you are, that right there is funny!!!!!

 

[Bikenut]

So, an OPINION of some "institute", even when it goes against nature (natural law) is proof of something? now, I dont care who you are, that right there is funny!!!!!

Ok... now you have proven beyond a doubt to anyone who has been following this conversation that you have nothing to back up your statements. You have failed to prove your statements as factual.

And resorting to ridicule in hopes of demeaning and diminishing your opponent's argument hoping that will somehow elevate your own argument is nothing more than a last gasp desperate attempt to take the attention off of how miserably your argument has..........

......... failed.

What you have proven though is that it is glaringly obvious to anyone who has followed this conversation that you have tried to deflect and evade any and all attempts to have you present actual facts to support your argument.

And that isn't funny... it is actually sad that the fact is... you have no facts.

Hence your statement that your right to bear arms trumps the property owner's right to ban guns without facts to support it has no validity and your refusal to provide facts to support your argument that it does means your arguments are abject failures.

Have a good evening.......... Sir.