Do you open carry in church

I'm almost afraid to say it but the strife in this thread is borderline demonic. I'm done with it

And yet....

I'll admit I don't know my Bible well enough to argue with either you or Treo about it, Ringo

Translation: Since I can’t refute Cypher’s argument I will attack and impugn his character any way I can (right out of rules for radicals)

Is this “knowledge based on experience and training or you tube videos? You needn’t bother answering it was a rhetorical question

And now comes proof positive that the two-headed Cypher/Treo troll doesn't possess the self-control to abide by his own rationale for departure from this "demonic" thread that he, himself, identified as such. And let it escape no one that in the first "demonic" paragraph of Cypher's second quote above, he is answering to a reference of mine to Treo, and doing it just exactly as Treo has done it many times before, with a snarky, dismissive, disrespectful troll post. I'm surprised this profane fraud didn't say he was thinking about asking me for naked pictures of my wife....again.

If this fraud truly believed what was going on here was "demonic," and he truly was a Bible-believing Christian, could he even stand to click on the title and open it again after coming to that conclusion? I certainly wouldn't if I believed it, and even beyond that, I certainly wouldn't try to do anything but lead the deceived out of their demonic undertakings and to Christ instead of continuing the petty arguments among Christians that led him to the conclusion in the first place.

Anyone who believes anything this fraud says is a fool. And I do mean anyone.

Blues
 
You must have a miserable, pathetic, little existence in the real world if you spew that much bile in the web I don’t know why but you are clearly full of hate it just boils out of you . You admit that you really don’t know if I am some resurrection of your buddy Treo (who you seem to be over the top obbsessed with) but you’re going to make it your life’s mission to ensure that I can’t participate in this forum based on your “I think so” what a bastard (yeah , whatever ban me I'm leaving anyway)

Then you say that I’m mentally ill and couldn’t possibly be a true Christian, while admitting that you aren’t familiar enough with your Bible to stand up to me in an argument about it.

I have to ask what that says for your maturity as a Christian if a “mentally ill” “false” Christian has a better understanding of Scripture than you.

You are, however, going to get your wish, I am not going to participate in a forum where every post I make is going to draw a tirade from you. There’s too much internet out there for me to put up with that crap.

Enjoy your rage dude, I’m outta here
 
You must have a miserable, pathetic, little existence in the real world if you spew that much bile in the web I don’t know why but you are clearly full of hate it just boils out of you . You admit that you really don’t know if I am some resurrection of your buddy Treo (who you seem to be over the top obbsessed with) but you’re going to make it your life’s mission to ensure that I can’t participate in this forum based on your “I think so” what a bastard (yeah , whatever ban me I'm leaving anyway)

Sounds like the spittle is flowing out of your face in a hateful rage there Treo/Cypher, as you're banging out your angry reply. I never said "I think so," I left the door open ever-so-slightly to the possibility that I'm mistaken. While that door is still ever-so-slightly open, I am as convinced as ever that I am not mistaken. Everybody makes mistakes though. You just did. You "think" I must have a "miserable, pathetic, little existence in the real world" when the fact is, I'm as happy as a man can be. I'm as fulfilled as a man can be. I could go on, but I wouldn't want to make you jealous.

Then you say that I’m mentally ill and couldn’t possibly be a true Christian, while admitting that you aren’t familiar enough with your Bible to stand up to me in an argument about it.

Wow. Just wow. I expressed a very generous opinion in an attempt to relieve you of the responsibility of answering to the charge that you're a "leftist prick."* And I've said before that I think you're mentally ill. It was in another thread (before you changed your name) that dealt with Scripture. Don't you remember? And I didn't say here that I thought you "couldn't possibly be a true Christian," I simply asked the question, would a true Bible-believing Christian re-enter a thread that he, himself, deemed "demonic?" And, I said, if it were me and I did re-enter such a thread, it would only be for the purpose of trying to lead other Christians out of their "demonic" undertakings by participating in it. And that is the truth of what I would do if I truly believed this was a "demonic" thread, which I obviously don't. You, on the other hand, would return only for the purpose of making a troll post first, and then to call me names second. I don't know.....why don't you just answer the question with words instead of with your un-Christian-like behavior?

(*Oops. Got two threads mixed up. That's what you get for cross-threading topics Treo!)

As far as not knowing my Bible very well, guilty as charged. But even if I did, I wouldn't throw a bunch of verses up here to "argue" with you about them anyway. If we can't discuss Scripture in a dignified manner, which you have proven (in the past) that we can't, I will just stick to more earthly topics with you, like whether or not to OC in church or anywhere else, or what constitutes a logical and effective "security" plan and what doesn't, and that's all I've done in this and the other two threads.

I have to ask what that says for your maturity as a Christian if a “mentally ill” “false” Christian has a better understanding of Scripture than you.

Even Satan can quote Scripture (Matthew 4:1-11). No, I am no more saying that you are Satan or possessed of Satan than I think this thread is "demonic." I am saying that you have not treated anyone in these three threads the way I understand Christ wants us treating each other. I think you're confusing someone else's deficiencies in their knowledge of Scripture with your superiority as a Christian, and that's what many have found disgustingly offensive about you.

Nice try to "catch" me in some inferiority that I already admitted to though. It was the perfect lead-in to highlight a deficiency in your way of "witnessing," even though you are very well-versed in Scripture, and should be much more adept at it. Next.

You are, however, going to get your wish, I am not going to participate in a forum where every post I make is going to draw a tirade from you. There’s too much internet out there for me to put up with that crap.

Sooo....what exactly does that mean? You're going to change your name again, only this time try harder not to post exactly like the name you left behind? You're hardly believable at this point umm....dude. Or I suppose you could retreat to GRM where you have power to lord over people like us "demonic" OC-militants. Maybe I'll stop by and say hey. Would that be cool, Treo?

Enjoy your rage dude, I’m outta here

I'll let everyone else decide who's in a rage. My wife just got home, and that's the happiest, least-raging part of my day.

I'll give ya a hint before you go to the trouble of setting up another name....dude. Pick something besides a cartoon character for your avatar. It might take longer for the more aware among us to figure out who you are.

Blues
 
I am new to this forum and stumbled across this thread. There are a lot of people who CC in my Church but no one really open carries. A couple of people will have their weapon in a holster but it is usually hidden by their suit coat but you can still sometimes see it. Although NC is a OC State I don't think church would be one of the place I would open carry.
 
Believe it or not, there is a simple solution to the problems discussed here. If your church asks that you not OC for fear of distracting (or scaring the faint of heart), just go along with the church and not try to force your particular persuasion on others. There are some who are deathly afraid of those mean old guns. As for CC, that is your choice and nobody knows the difference and you have no problem. If you find the request intolerable, find a church where you can worship God (if that is your reason for going to church) and OC, CC or sling it over your shoulder. If you only go to a church to force your particular demands on the regular congregation, stay home, drink beer and watch a ball game. My main purpose in going to church is to worship God, not cause a distraction. I don't particularly care one way or another how you do or do not carry. Services don't generally run much over an hour so I can tolerate that and then go about my business, my way. Very simplistic outlook and everybody's happy (or not). A lot of people may not agree but my answer can save a lot of name calling and heartburn!
 
believe it or not, there is a simple solution to the problems discussed here. If your church asks that you not oc for fear of distracting (or scaring the faint of heart), just go along with the church and not try to force your particular persuasion on others. There are some who are deathly afraid of those mean old guns. As for cc, that is your choice and nobody knows the difference and you have no problem. If you find the request intolerable, find a church where you can worship god (if that is your reason for going to church) and oc, cc or sling it over your shoulder. If you only go to a church to force your particular demands on the regular congregation, stay home, drink beer and watch a ball game. My main purpose in going to church is to worship god, not cause a distraction. I don't particularly care one way or another how you do or do not carry. Services don't generally run much over an hour so i can tolerate that and then go about my business, my way. Very simplistic outlook and everybody's happy (or not). A lot of people may not agree but my answer can save a lot of name calling and heartburn!

Amen
 
Believe it or not, there is a simple solution to the problems discussed here. If your church asks that you not OC for fear of distracting (or scaring the faint of heart), just go along with the church and not try to force your particular persuasion on others. There are some who are deathly afraid of those mean old guns. As for CC, that is your choice and nobody knows the difference and you have no problem. If you find the request intolerable, find a church where you can worship God (if that is your reason for going to church) and OC, CC or sling it over your shoulder. If you only go to a church to force your particular demands on the regular congregation, stay home, drink beer and watch a ball game. My main purpose in going to church is to worship God, not cause a distraction. I don't particularly care one way or another how you do or do not carry. Services don't generally run much over an hour so I can tolerate that and then go about my business, my way. Very simplistic outlook and everybody's happy (or not). A lot of people may not agree but my answer can save a lot of name calling and heartburn!

the solution is easier than that. if a church doesn't follow the word of Jesus. just don't go there, find one who does
 
Using this example of carrying a gun into church for an illegal purpose has no relationship to carrying a gun for a legal purpose and, in my opinion, is a disingenuous attempt to conflate murderers intentionally killing people in church with the legal open carrying of guns in church.

By the way... is there any reporting about how the guy got the shotgun into church? Did he just walk in openly carrying it or did he hide it under a coat? Or are you hoping folks will infer some kind of connection between a shooter with a shotgun and legal open carry in church in general?
 
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“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe."
Luke 11:21
 
In general, I think more people should open carry more often. This would desensitize the "low-info voters" out there who are generally afraid of the mere presence of a gun.

On the other hand, I would not open carry in church. When folks are supposed to be focused on God, I don't think it's appropriate to have a gun out. I can see potential exceptions, like a police officer or an Army cavalry officer in full dress, including sidearm, for a wedding; otherwise, no. Open carry in church does not promote the function of a church service.
 
In general, I think more people should open carry more often. This would desensitize the "low-info voters" out there who are generally afraid of the mere presence of a gun.

On the other hand, I would not open carry in church. When folks are supposed to be focused on God, I don't think it's appropriate to have a gun out. I can see potential exceptions, like a police officer or an Army cavalry officer in full dress, including sidearm, for a wedding; otherwise, no. Open carry in church does not promote the function of a church service.

taking the first part of your argument. maybe if more people OC to church they would forget about it and focus on GOD. of course i am a big believer in carrying every where you could be shot
 
I open carry my 40 cal Glock in a fancy custom made leather holster. The pastor approves and those in attendance feel safer. We only have about 75 people who attend and in a larger church I would probably conceal carry.
 

I've "hated" Chuck Norris for almost 50 years. One of my best friends talked me into going with him to his Karate lessons when I was 9 years old (1964). I'd never heard of the guy, but he kept telling me he was taking lessons at one of Chuck Norris' studios. So the first night I go with him, I just sit around a watch, and one of the instructors tells me that I can sign up for lessons for $15 bucks a week, which included 3 sessions per week. So Mom paid the $15 bucks, I went the second night with my friend, and all we did was stretch for the first session. And I do mean stretch! I could barely walk the next day from being so sore, and limped into the studio that night afraid of what came next. Turns out there's some big-time Korean in town (who turned out to be Norris' sensei when he trained over there), and they had cameras set up and all we were doing was posing for pictures that night. I'm the one third from the right in the front row, the blond-headed kid. The three youngest ones there were the three of us there on the right, all sitting. I can't speak to the other two, but I was sitting because I could barely stand from the stretching they put me through the night before. I never went back, and even though that night was the only time I ever actually saw Chuck, I've always held that pain against him! LOL

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I found that picture by searching for a picture of Norris' Artesia Blvd. studio in Redondo Beach, CA. It was Link Removed of one of Norris' instructors, and if you search that page for "Artesia" you'll see that the picture was indeed from that studio and taken in 1964. The instructor's site mistakenly identifies the Artesia Blvd. studio as being in Torrance, but it was within walking distance of the house I grew up in, so I know it was in Redondo.

I didn't have time to read Chuck's essay today. I get that it was about the need for church security, but did he say anything about OC, pro or con?

Blues
 
I didn't have time to read Chuck's essay today. I get that it was about the need for church security, but did he say anything about OC, pro or con?

Blues

No, it was simply about the need to beef up church security as the incidence of church shootings increases, with firearm carry being one component of many. Not sure why this was posted a an OC discussion.
 

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