Disney World Concealed Carry

[briancward]

It is illegal to carry in Disney! You will be asked to leave and if you give any resistance they will lock you up and you will lose your right to carry. Only persons allowed to carry on DISNEY PROPERTY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT ON DUTY! I do however know that they do allow off duty law enforcement to carry with no hassle. It is private property and a private park. FL has strong laws on carrying in certian places but they are very laxed, Disney is not one of those places. I live here and carry everyday, I do not even push the limits with Disney and I use to be a cop. Now I do however carry in Downtown Disney it is more open area to public so there I would say would be OK but it is carry at your own risk. Reason Disney does not post it is becasue they do not want to deter the tourism, some people are just dumb asses when they see a gun.

 

[maybejim]

It is illegal to carry in Disney! You will be asked to leave and if you give any resistance they will lock you up and you will lose your right to carry. Only persons allowed to carry on DISNEY PROPERTY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT ON DUTY! I do however know that they do allow off duty law enforcement to carry with no hassle. It is private property and a private park. FL has strong laws on carrying in certian places but they are very laxed, Disney is not one of those places. I live here and carry everyday, I do not even push the limits with Disney and I use to be a cop. Now I do however carry in Downtown Disney it is more open area to public so there I would say would be OK but it is carry at your own risk. Reason Disney does not post it is becasue they do not want to deter the tourism, some people are just dumb asses when they see a gun.

It's not illegal. It is against their rules. There is a difference.

 

[WinstonSmith]

It is illegal to carry in Disney! You will be asked to leave and if you give any resistance they will lock you up and you will lose your right to carry. Only persons allowed to carry on DISNEY PROPERTY ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT ON DUTY! I do however know that they do allow off duty law enforcement to carry with no hassle. It is private property and a private park. FL has strong laws on carrying in certian places but they are very laxed, Disney is not one of those places. I live here and carry everyday, I do not even push the limits with Disney and I use to be a cop. Now I do however carry in Downtown Disney it is more open area to public so there I would say would be OK but it is carry at your own risk. Reason Disney does not post it is becasue they do not want to deter the tourism, some people are just dumb asses when they see a gun.

Wow, if you used to be a cop, and that's your understanding of the law, it's no wonder why so many cops are so unaware of gun laws (case in point: the guy open carrying in PA a week or two ago being drawn down by cops who are as ignorant as your post implies you are).

"Illegal" meaning "unlawful" and not desired are two different things.

I've carried at Disney, and I'd do it again. Many of us have, odds are somebody is doing it right now. And Disney is safer because of it.

 

[b79holmes]

The problem was that the participants the first couple of years were extremely rude, obnoxious and in some cases downright obscene, even in front of small children at the parks. A massive number of complaints were lodged with Disney, and comments such as the ones seen here were the inevitable backlash of such behavior. Had they simply gone and enjoyed the amenities of the parks like everyone else you likely would have seen very few comments about it. Unfortunately that was not the case. As happens far too often, it only took a few bad apples to ruin it for the whole bunch, and the reputation has followed the event ever since.

I know of a number of 'gay' families, with children and they do blend in with everyone else without any issues. My son has classmates from such families and he is clueless so far. I don't care for the in-your-face exhibitionist behavior but I avoid those places.

I often 'cringe' at stories about that church group picketing military funerals but I do not believe they represent all Christians either.

It's not up to me to be the judge.

Bill

 

[briancward]

well since everyone who has replied to my post in ignorance here is your correct leagal answer. (12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
Disney is defined as a place of nuisance according to 823.05 per orange county sheriffs office. Also yes there is a policy in place that is enforced by security to give tourist a chance to leave without hassle. Yes it is called concealed and if you do not get caught then no one knows.
As i was aware there are ignorant people out there who only read part of the the law that applies to them. Just becasue they gave you the license and you passed all the backround that they do. The one backround that they do not look into is how ignorant you are. People like these individuals who sit on this forum and push the limits are the reasons that we lose certian rights as honest citizens. A person asked a question and I gave him the safe answer for him and his family. I would be a liar to say I have not pushed the limits as well but to sit here and say it is legal that does show how much of a simple ass you are. read the law inquire then write about it you may actually sound like you know sometihng if you actually could read but then again they do not check that part of your background either.

 

[Jes]

well since everyone who has replied to my post in ignorance here is your correct leagal answer. (12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
Disney is defined as a place of nuisance according to 823.05 per orange county sheriffs office.

Well here is 823.05:
823.05 Places and groups engaged in criminal gang-related activity declared a nuisance; may be abated and enjoined.—
(1) Whoever shall erect, establish, continue, or maintain, own or lease any building, booth, tent or place which tends to annoy the community or injure the health of the community, or become manifestly injurious to the morals or manners of the people as described in s. 823.01, or any house or place of prostitution, assignation, lewdness or place or building where games of chance are engaged in violation of law or any place where any law of the state is violated, shall be deemed guilty of maintaining a nuisance, and the building, erection, place, tent or booth and the furniture, fixtures, and contents are declared a nuisance. All such places or persons shall be abated or enjoined as provided in ss. 60.05 and 60.06.
(2)(a) As used in this subsection, the terms “criminal gang,” “criminal gang member,” “criminal gang associate,” and “criminal gang-related activity” have the same meanings as provided in s. 874.03.
(b) A criminal gang, criminal gang member, or criminal gang associate who engages in the commission of criminal gang-related activity is a public nuisance. Any and all such persons shall be abated or enjoined as provided in ss. 60.05 and 60.06.
(c) The use of a location on two or more occasions by a criminal gang, criminal gang members, or criminal gang associates for the purpose of engaging in criminal gang-related activity is a public nuisance. Such use of a location as a public nuisance shall be abated or enjoined as provided in ss. 60.05 and 60.06.
(d) Nothing in this subsection shall prevent a local governing body from adopting and enforcing laws consistent with this chapter relating to criminal gangs and gang violence. Where local laws duplicate or supplement this chapter, this chapter shall be construed as providing alternative remedies and not as preempting the field.
(e) The state, through the Department of Legal Affairs or any state attorney, or any of the state’s agencies, instrumentalities, subdivisions, or municipalities having jurisdiction over conduct in violation of a provision of this chapter may institute civil proceedings under this subsection. In any action brought under this subsection, the circuit court shall proceed as soon as practicable to the hearing and determination. Pending final determination, the circuit court may at any time enter such injunctions, prohibitions, or restraining orders, or take such actions, including the acceptance of satisfactory performance bonds, as the court may deem proper.
History.—s. 1, ch. 7367, 1917; RGS 5639; CGL 7832; s. 24, ch. 57-1; s. 66, ch. 74-383; s. 1, ch. 75-24; s. 41, ch. 75-298; s. 4, ch. 2008-238.
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Which part of this statute applies to Disney? I know they were trying to get out of the employer parking lot law by saying they stored too many fireworks on their property.
Disney is a business but there is no LAW that prohibits carrying. They must catch you and ask you to leave. You will only get in trouble by refusing.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2010/823.05

 

[briancward]

I understand what you are saying but as you see in phila the law reads one way but the amendment is what gets you. Disney is its own little world. i know what the law says, but since it is considered a place of nuisance it deams it a restricted place of carry. I know that where explosives are stored you are not allowed to carry unless you have a ffl w/ a federal concealed lic. I personally feel it is BS but like i said earlier if i was in FL on vacation and I was asked to leave the park because I was carring and I had to leave for an amount of time to return it to my room and to top it all off since the hotels are on disney property they can tell you to leave the grounds completely they are very very firm on this. They ask you to leave then they detain you then orange county charges you. I know someone this has happened to and now has lost lic. for good.

 

[Jes]

The point I am trying to make is Disney does not fall into the nuisance category as the law is written and the parks are not posted with gunbuster sinage. They must first catch you and ask you to leave. If you refuse then you get trespassed and all hell breaks loose. My guess is this is what happened with your friend.

When I personally stay "on property" I usually don't carry unless we are going to be out late. I would not want to be responsible for firing a shot in a crowded park, however the parking lots and surrounding areas are not the safest in the world.

 

[WinstonSmith]

I've carried at Disney, and I'd do it again. Many of us have, odds are somebody is doing it right now. And Disney is safer because of it.

Just got back from carrying at the mouse house yet again.

Diaper bags got inspected and squeezed. One day in the middle of the trip, an overzealous security guard noticed my Cold Steel folding knife clipped to my front pocket and asked me to take it out. I obliged and as I pulled it up, the automatic opener caught fabric (like it's supposed to) and it flicked open, though I didn't intend for that to happen! I muttered something like "I forgot that was there" and he compared it to the length of his WDW ID badge, which I guess is ~3 inches. Apparently, knives under 3 inches are OK. Mine wasn't, but he said it was "close enough" and asked me to just slip it down inside my pocket. Ironically, the Glock IWB went unnoticed.

There are two lines at all the parks, one for those with bags (which are opened and inspected closely) and one for those without. If you're without, you basically just get to walk right in. However, I deliberately carried a bag and pushed a stroller of children through the more intrusive line. I think those guards are more likely wonder about people walking fast through the bagless line than the dad with the kids and diapers trying to be compliant.

I meant to check out the "thermal scans" at the Star Tours ride in Hollywood Studios to see if it would depict a large metallic object, but I forgot and just ran out of time.

 

[walknotinfear]

My wife and I are taking our kids to Disney World (Orland) in January. I understand that Disney has a no weapons policy. However, I am wondering if any of you have any real world experience with Disney World. Can you concealed carry there? Do they have posted signs or metal detectors? I plan on taking my gun because I would like to fly with it as I have never done this. I may just lock it in the room when I get there, assuming there are safes. The last thing I need on a family vacation though is a MAJOR HASSLE. Suggestions please!

-PDW

I will tell you what I used to do when I visited Disney with my family. First off Disney has a no weapon policy for all their parks. I have always checked my duty weapon in with security when I enter the parks. When I pay for my tickets I ask the lady to call security because I want to check my duty issued firearm. A uniformed security guard will come and get you and escort you in the park to a secure location to check in the weapon in a safe. I have asked them if it was a big deal if I had kept my weapon on me even if I was a LEO, they answered that only Orange County PD was allowed to carry inside the park. At the time I was a LEO and I said I have 24 hour carry because I was a FED LEO, they replied if they caught me inside the park with a weapon than I would be banned from the park for life. So from that moment on I have checked my weapon in every time I had gone to the parks.

Not sure why you would need or want to carry a weapon in the park. Not that it could not happen but I have never heard of a shooting inside the parks in the past (I could be wrong).

Now on to flying with a weapon. I have direct knowledge about this procedure. I was with the FEDS for close to 11 years so I know this policy inside and out. If you plan on taking a weapon it has to be secured in a hard case that locks (ex: the hard plastic case the gun came in), the gun has to be unloaded, you than have to declare the weapon to the airline agent when you check in your bags, they will give you paperwork to fill out, your gun goes under the aircraft and out you go. NO YOU CAN NOT FLY ARMED WITH A CCW PERMIT! In the state of Florida if you try to enter the secured area of the airport with a weapon you will be arrested and charged with a misdemeanor if you have a CCW and charged with a felony if you do not have a current CCW. The only persons allowed to fly armed are federal law enforcement officers/agents/special agents/criminal investigators,etc. and certain local and state enforcement officers if they are cleared by their department, have taken the federal flying armed class and are cleared by TSA. You would be surprised home how many FEDS are flying armed(Border Patrol, ICE agents, DEA, Secret Service, OIG agents, FBI, CBP officers, NCIS agents, Army CID special agents, US Coast Guard criminal investigators, Dept of Education criminal investigators, the FAM service, etc.

If I was a civilian with a CCW (I am now), I would just leave the gun at the hotel, in the trunck of the car (you cant get in my trunck without a key), or check it in with security. Do not take the small chance of carrying in the parks and getting banned for life. Just my 2 cents on the subject.

 

[Rhino]

Pilots who are part of the armed pilots program can also be armed. Those restrictions only apply to Part 135 scheduled air carrier operations and Part 121 non scheduled charter and air taxi operations. They don't apply to owner operated private aircraft Part 91 operations that are not for hire.

 

[kstechtom]

Interesting on the disney employee fired for having it in the car. In Kansas, the employer cannot resrict weapons in a personal vehicle even if its on the employers parking lot. Doing so would violate their right to carry to and from work.

 

[jabatam]

There's also some value in one of Ektarr's Laws: "Don't ask questions you may not really want to hear the answer to."

And it is often better to ask for forgiveness than permission

 

[Turkules77]

Just got back from carrying at the mouse house yet again.

Diaper bags got inspected and squeezed. One day in the middle of the trip, an overzealous security guard noticed my Cold Steel folding knife clipped to my front pocket and asked me to take it out. I obliged and as I pulled it up, the automatic opener caught fabric (like it's supposed to) and it flicked open, though I didn't intend for that to happen! I muttered something like "I forgot that was there" and he compared it to the length of his WDW ID badge, which I guess is ~3 inches. Apparently, knives under 3 inches are OK. Mine wasn't, but he said it was "close enough" and asked me to just slip it down inside my pocket. Ironically, the Glock IWB went unnoticed.

There are two lines at all the parks, one for those with bags (which are opened and inspected closely) and one for those without. If you're without, you basically just get to walk right in. However, I deliberately carried a bag and pushed a stroller of children through the more intrusive line. I think those guards are more likely wonder about people walking fast through the bagless line than the dad with the kids and diapers trying to be compliant.

I meant to check out the "thermal scans" at the Star Tours ride in Hollywood Studios to see if it would depict a large metallic object, but I forgot and just ran out of time.

No offense, but I have to disagree with your actions. If a companies policy is no weapons, I feel it is our duty to oblige by their rules. By disregarding and disrespecting their wishes, I feel it gives those of us who believe in 2A a bad name. I am not saying its the right policy, but if a business states no weapons, then you should abide.

From the threads in the "businesses against firearms and 2A" it seems liked the popular reaction when you come across a business that is against firearms is to return to your car to unload and return to the store to speak to the manager. You can give the manager your take on the rule and maybe even give them some literature and tell them you will be shopping elsewhere as long as their anti-gun policy exists. If you feel so strongly about carrying at Disney, why not boycott? Why continue to support them?

Other reasons I think carrying at Disney is a bad idea is the fact that no matter where you are, you are surrounded by people. There is no chance of discharging your weapon in a park without having other guests at risks. In 2010 there were 120 million visitors. From the moment you leave your hotel room you are eating breakfast with hundreds of people, you get on the bus with 50-60 people elbow to elbow, you enter the park with thousands of guests surrounding you, you get on rides with hundreds of guests around you, you eat dinner surrounded by a couple hundred guests...(I think you get the point).

That being said, if you want to have it in your room for protection, I totally understand and agree. But I completely disagree with bringing it to the parks where they are not permitted. If for some reason you are caught, you will be banned forever and most likely make the news. This just gives the rest of us a bad look in the publics eye.

 

[MNMGoneShooting]

That being said, if you want to have it in your room for protection, I totally understand and agree. But I completely disagree with bringing it to the parks where they are not permitted. If for some reason you are caught, you will be banned forever and most likely make the news. This just gives the rest of us a bad look in the publics eye.

(applause) fully agree!

 

[WinstonSmith]

Turkules77,

You can do whatever you want; I'm not sheeple. I have a God given right to protect myself, recognized-- not granted-- by the 2A. It's bad enough we cowtow to the CCW laws (God does not require us to have a permit to defend ourselves).

If you extend your logic, then you'll carry practically nowhere. That's how we lost Constitutional Carry in the first place. Watch out for the people around you, brother, because they don't truly care about your well being. You go right ahead trusting Disney is the safest place on earth, while I'm a realist, recognizing that human nature means a person with ill intent will try to hurt someone there someday, and despite good intentions, Disney's unarmed security "cast members" will fail to do something about it. I am a free man, and my family won't be that victim, even if it's the "first time it ever happened".

If we extend your "too many people around you" logic, then people in NYC, Chicago, LA, DC, etc., will never be able to protect themselves. Turns out they've already used those arguments in those highly populated areas, stripped their rights, and yet those are the most dangerous places for sheeple victims. If I or my family are assaulted in a busy area, I'm not going to altruistically sacrifice ourselves because of the unknown chance that somebody in the background might get hurt, when there is a certainty somebody in front of me will get hurt.

If you still feel that way, go ahead and convert your guns back into plows, and work the fields for those who refuse to do the same.

Edited to add: I will take lifetime ban from Disney and negative publicity over being a disarmed victim any day of the week. So should you. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 as they say. Or another way to put it: you can get out of jail, but you can't get out of dead.

 

[Sheldon]

No offense, but I have to disagree with your actions. If a companies policy is no weapons, I feel it is our duty to oblige by their rules. By disregarding and disrespecting their wishes, I feel it gives those of us who believe in 2A a bad name. I am not saying its the right policy, but if a business states no weapons, then you should abide.

From the threads in the "businesses against firearms and 2A" it seems liked the popular reaction when you come across a business that is against firearms is to return to your car to unload and return to the store to speak to the manager. You can give the manager your take on the rule and maybe even give them some literature and tell them you will be shopping elsewhere as long as their anti-gun policy exists. If you feel so strongly about carrying at Disney, why not boycott? Why continue to support them?

Other reasons I think carrying at Disney is a bad idea is the fact that no matter where you are, you are surrounded by people. There is no chance of discharging your weapon in a park without having other guests at risks. In 2010 there were 120 million visitors. From the moment you leave your hotel room you are eating breakfast with hundreds of people, you get on the bus with 50-60 people elbow to elbow, you enter the park with thousands of guests surrounding you, you get on rides with hundreds of guests around you, you eat dinner surrounded by a couple hundred guests...(I think you get the point).

That being said, if you want to have it in your room for protection, I totally understand and agree. But I completely disagree with bringing it to the parks where they are not permitted. If for some reason you are caught, you will be banned forever and most likely make the news. This just gives the rest of us a bad look in the publics eye.

Rule no 1 always be sure of your target.... So how may were mugged between the gate and their car, I have read three stories in the last year alone....

 

[Rhino]

Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California
Westroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska
Columbine High School
Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas
McDonald's in San Ysidro, California
The American Civic Association immigration center in Binghamton, New York
Virginia Polytechnic University

All of those places had crowds of innocent people in them just like you would have at Disney World. All of them were also places where the patrons were not allowed to carry concealed weapons at the time that someone decided to murder multiple victims there. I have no intention of calling anyone names or mudslinging. I don't necessarily consider anyone a 'sheeple' for respecting the wishes of an establishment that they patronize, nor do I consider anyone a glorious patriot for defying those wishes. But I asked myself a few questions. Looking at that list above that exhibited the same crowd concerns as Disney World, can I say that the situation would have been worse if an armed, law abiding citizen with a concealed carry license had been there and taken action against the perpetrator or perpetrators, and my answer is unequivocally no. Certainly there would be higher concerns for collateral damage than would be 'typical', but not to the point that it would be better to just let innocent people be killed, particularly yourself or your family members. Reports from situations as those are fairly unanimous that the innocents scatter and or hit the deck at the first shots anyway, so it's not like the crowd is just going to be milling around the perpetrator. That's not to say it would be an easy shot. I personally don't think any shot is an easy shot when potentially taking another persons' life, even a bad guy. But even with the increased risks associated with a large crowd in a place such as Disney World, those risks will never be higher than the risks posed by someone with ill intent who decides to make a theme park the object of his sick target practice someday. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen, and I wouldn't want to be the person feeling helpless because I respected the well intentioned but il advised wishes of the owners. But that's just my personal take.

Oh, and Disney has banned multiple people for violating their weapons ban. They never go public.

 

[walknotinfear]

Rule no 1 always be sure of your target.... So how may were mugged between the gate and their car, I have read three stories in the last year alone....

My answer to this: If you followed the rules of the park you would be ok because you would of picked up your weapon in security before you left the park. So if some suspect tried to mug you than you would be just fine. Disney will allow you to place your weapon in the safe in the park so there is NO reason to carry a weapon inside the parks.

 

[Deserteagle]

Disney will allow you to place your weapon in the safe in the park so there is NO reason to carry a weapon inside the parks.

I have to disagree. There is never a time when there is no reason to carry a gun (except for in the pool or shower). I dont believe in playing the odds by carrying when I think I need to, and not carrying when I dont think I need to. Ill carry all the time unless Disney gives me a cop to carry on my shoulder, but even that would be too much work.