I don't think it's so bad here. Honestly, i'd rather be surrounded by tighter laws with more competent firearm owners than surrounded by "anyone can have a gun" toting peoples who use their firearm for practice once a year.
Even at my club there's some retards who cant seem to keep their rifle pointed downrange as they walk sideways.
Good luck to you!
I don't think it's so bad here. Honestly, i'd rather be surrounded by tighter laws with more competent firearm owners than surrounded by "anyone can have a gun" toting peoples who use their firearm for practice once a year. I like to know that there's more people out there who can competently have my back than a mexican standoff style of society. Of course, I speak only generally. We have both sides of the coin just like anywhere else. Even at my club there's some retards who cant seem to keep their rifle pointed downrange as they walk sideways.
Interesting enough it seems that statistically it doesn't make any difference. The "requirements" don't make anyone any safer.
We like to quote stats from Alaska or Vermont on how permits don't matter but would the same laws in those states work in others?
Vermont has a much higher income and higher average intelligence level than many Southern states.
just allowing anyone that wants to walk around with a pistol on their side on 5th Ave. in NYC isn't going to work out like it does in AK or VT.
Why wouldn't they? Why do you distrust law abiding citizens? The crime isn't being committed by law abiding citizens. Violence isn't being committed by law abiding citizens. Murder isn't being committed by law abiding citizens.
Ho! Ho! Ho! I'm sure you will want to show us the evidence of that claim.
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From the US Census Bereau Vermont is much higher in income than any southern state.
I am sure that I can fins the same type of data for intelligence if you would care to provide what basis you would accept. (IQ, Educational level, School performance status etc.)
Income really has nothing to do with morals/crime. In the 20's and 30's, blacks who were the poorest of the poor, discriminated against, and generally mistreated had a much lower crime and violence rate than did whites. They also had strong family units.
I have no idea where you got that information and would like to see some proof of it. As I said you can make any stats lie all you want to and such stats as this are prime examples of it. I also goes against any study that I have ever seen that says that crime and income are closely tied whether true or not.
Gee, that isn't what Alaska and Vermont do, is it? Criminals are not legally allowed to keep or carry guns.
And the population per square mile of criminals and percentage of criminals of the general population in Alaska compared to NYC is what?
I am not sure of that as per the little book "How to Lie With Statistics". We tend to quote stats in our favor and make them enforce our beliefs. Too many times there are many more variables than just what we include with statistics.
The ingrained attitudes of the people in a locality may have much more to do with the safety of firearms than any training or permits. We like to quote stats from Alaska or Vermont on how permits don't matter but would the same laws in those states work in others?
What works in VT may not work in Mississippi.
Very little of Alaska's land is highly populated such as in cities like New York and you can't convince me that the same laws the work in Alaska will work in NYC.
I will totally agree that there are many gun laws that are beyond reason as well as many other laws. But just allowing anyone that wants to walk around with a pistol on their side on 5th Ave. in NYC isn't going to work out like it does in AK or VT.
When people of lesser income are closely packed then crime goes up for some reason.
Vermont has a much higher income and higher average intelligence level than many Southern states.
I find that most people favor the rights of the individual and say that until the criminal robs the store the LEO can't do anything. In NYC is that same criminal is walking down the street with the gun fully expose the LEO can stop and check to see if he is a criminal.
Yes criminals have guns but it seems that many people say that it is OK for them to have the guns until they use it.
You also have to remember that at one time every criminal was a law abiding citizen that turned into a criminal.
You seem to say that you don't want criminals having guns but how do you tell if a person is a criminal or not?
You are totally correct that criminal have guns, maybe at a higher rate than law-abiding people and everone wants them arrested or do you. If a criminal is walking down the street in VT with a gun fully exposed does a LEO have the right to ask him if he is a criminal before he goes in the gas station to rob it or does he have to wait untll he robs it and shoots the clerk?
I find that most people favor the rights of the individual and say that until the criminal robs the store the LEO can't do anything.
Yes criminals have guns but it seems that many people say that it is OK for them to have the guns until they use it.
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