We are being ignored, lied to, and stolen from by this administration and Congress. IMHO, we no longer have "representation". If we do not clean house in 2010 and 2012 and put REAL AMERICANS in Congress, we can expect a completely tyrannical government with no impediments to its ability to tell us how to live and to punish us if we don't adhere to its mandates. At that point, I'm thinking we're looking at civil war. We the People need to be prepared.
Civil War
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MADnMO
Jesus - Our Greatest HOPE
I hope you are wrong but If it comes to that I will be ready.
As ready as a 52 year old can be.
6shootercarry
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Agreed... It's going to get worse. Then at some point the table will begin to turn and perhaps a harkening to the wisdom of our founding fathers by those who listen and hear. Gonna have to hold on for this ride…
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I think the Resistance, if it comes to that, will consist, in a big way, of us old-timers. And that's ok by me: we're grouchy and trained and have accumulated a lifetime of watching this crap come down.
benjammin
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I think if something happens, the numbers of younger folks will surprise many people, everyone I associate with (mostly 25-35 y .o.) is of a similar frame of mind as most of us.
Wolfling68
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Time to get myself put on another list, I guess. I think the true point of no return will come if they pass the healthcare bill, after that, it is just a matter of time before the intolerable becomes self defense.
Then they will learn the military swore to uphold the Constitution, and we will only take so much. Sad days, I pray we can pull back.
Then they will learn the military swore to uphold the Constitution, and we will only take so much. Sad days, I pray we can pull back.
That's good to know!
Scarecrow
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+1 to that. everyone I hang out with is sick and tired too.
Wolfling68
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and now they are courtmartialing Navy SEALs for capturing terrorist.
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The republic is doomed, her defenders are scorned by the power elite, and her citizens are held in contempt. The only question is what happens next? How do we organize when it hits the fan (it is going to) and how do we keep the power mongers from dividing us up and making us serfs, how do we restore that which we love so much.
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The republic is doomed, her defenders are scorned by the power elite, and her citizens are held in contempt. The only question is what happens next? How do we organize when it hits the fan (it is going to) and how do we keep the power mongers from dividing us up and making us serfs, how do we restore that which we love so much.
BigSlick
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Counterinsurgency’s Future Is In America
Here's a good article posted on the Republic Broadcasting Network. Link Link Removed
What troubles me is that the government thinks they can suspend the Constitution and everyone will just go along with it. I don't think the framers of the Constitution left this option open in any way shape or form. If or when they try to do that they turn against the people of the United States and in effect become the enemy. The military has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution. If its suspended then what the hell are they going to do. Some, not all, will simply walk away. Its true Lincoln tried this Bull$hit during the civil war but if they had the internet, cable news, and 280 million guns in the hands of the puplic things would have been a lot different. Most of the people in those times had no weapons and communication was slow not instant like it is today. The government should think long and hard as we out number them millions to one. Sure they have nuclear weapons and submarines but I don't think they will nuke Chicago. And if anyone thinks that the confiscation will be temporary then I have some magic beans for sell. Well enough of my rantings here's the article.
Counterinsurgency’s Future Is In America (by RS – HenryMakow.com)
For months we’ve heard about General McChrystal’s “counter-insurgency” strategy in Afghanistan, involving tens of thousands more troops. We’ve heard much less about the US government’s “counter-insurgency” strategy for America. But it’s America — not Afghanistan — where the strategy is already in place, and where the real action may take place.
According to one report, which documents the “unraveling” of US society, “the demand for guns and ammunition has hit a record high and the gun industry cannot produce enough bullets to keep up with orders. American’s are arming themselves to the teeth! In the past year, 100 new armed militia groups have been formed, as militia members have doubled in numbers. Federal authorities are gravely concerned about the “uptick in militia activities.” One federal authority recently said, “All it’s lacking is a spark. I think it’s only a matter of time before you see threats and violence.”
The Official Documents
Contingency plans for martial law were signed by President Bush just before the election in November 2008. These plans, written in bureaucratic detail, have appeared on the Internet in what seems to be a leak of classified government documents. (US Domestic Control Measures.pdf by Bradley Moscrip)
Giving various reasons that would justify martial law (for example, “the refusal of the population to pay or unusual difficulty to collect rent, taxes, or loan payments”), the plans call for the suspension of the Constitution; the permanent confiscation of all firearms (while telling the gun owners that the confiscation is temporary); and the rounding up of large numbers of the “indigenous population” in detention camps.
Noting that there are presently 600 detention camps (soon to be expanded to 1500, generally in rural uninhabited areas), one of the documents provides the location of 94 of these detention sites in 28 states.
True or False?
How reliable is this information? Are these documents real? Popular conservative gate-keepers like Glenn Beck have pooh-poohed stories about the construction of detention sites across the country.
There’s no way to be certain, but to me they ring true. And skeptics who have personally researched the matter say there is no doubt that these detention camps exist. The real question is why.
Some say it’s simply that the government needs to be prepared to maintain civil order in case of enemy attack or civil emergency. But this doesn’t account for the scope and secrecy of the present plans. The documents posted on the Internet state that the real reason is the prospect of domestic insurrection.
In principle there’s nothing new here. The state’s first priority has always been to control its own population, especially when it is carrying out unpopular policies. In the 1860s the Lincoln administration not only crushed the southern states that tried to secede, it also crushed all dissent (and there was a lot of it) in the northern states.
Secretary of War Stanton ordered federal law officers to imprison anyone engaged by act, speech, or writing, in discouraging volunteer enlistments in the army. Habeas corpus was suspended; newspaper publishers, judges, and legislators who dissented from the war policy were jailed; and when a draft was instituted, hundreds of protesters were shot and killed.
The potential for these kinds of draconian actions is more real today than any time since the 1860s. Hardly a week goes by that the government is not announcing some new peril. At one time it’s a pandemic (currently swine flu); at another time it’s a terrorist attack; at yet another time it’s a financial collapse (recall that a Congressman revealed a year ago that Congress was threatened with the imposition of martial law if they should fail to approve the emergency bank bailout).
Current federal policies seem almost guaranteed to create some such crisis. The federal government is treating our current economic problems by creating monumental new levels of debt. This is like an alcoholic trying to cure himself by drinking even more whiskey. Once the temporary artificial stimulus has passed, the result will be an even greater collapse.
Conclusion
There is no shortage of scenarios that would lead to martial law, and many would be created by the policies of the government itself. Whatever the details, we may be confident that it has drawn up plans to suspend the Constitution “temporarily” and to impose direct military control of the civilian population. In both Waco and Katrina, US military forces were employed, though not publicized. More recently, the Pentagon has established the Northern Command, designed to carry out military operations within the US.
Yes, we may launch a “counter-insurgency strategy” in Afghanistan, at least for a while. But America’s power is waning overseas. We’re overextended militarily and financially. We’re looking for a way to scale back if not withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. (The new buzzword is “endgame.”) Most significantly, Obama seems to be seeking to reduce American power and autonomy.
So the future for counter-insurgency may be here at home. The US government may be planning for a reduced role in the world, but it is not planning for a reduced role at home. On the contrary, it plans to take control of all aspects of American society, as well as integrate America into a global system. And it recognizes that these plans may lead to resistance. So it is ready with a counter-insurgency strategy, and willing and able to implement it. We would be well advised not to play into its hands.
November 23, 2009
Here's a good article posted on the Republic Broadcasting Network. Link Link Removed
What troubles me is that the government thinks they can suspend the Constitution and everyone will just go along with it. I don't think the framers of the Constitution left this option open in any way shape or form. If or when they try to do that they turn against the people of the United States and in effect become the enemy. The military has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution. If its suspended then what the hell are they going to do. Some, not all, will simply walk away. Its true Lincoln tried this Bull$hit during the civil war but if they had the internet, cable news, and 280 million guns in the hands of the puplic things would have been a lot different. Most of the people in those times had no weapons and communication was slow not instant like it is today. The government should think long and hard as we out number them millions to one. Sure they have nuclear weapons and submarines but I don't think they will nuke Chicago. And if anyone thinks that the confiscation will be temporary then I have some magic beans for sell. Well enough of my rantings here's the article.
Counterinsurgency’s Future Is In America (by RS – HenryMakow.com)
For months we’ve heard about General McChrystal’s “counter-insurgency” strategy in Afghanistan, involving tens of thousands more troops. We’ve heard much less about the US government’s “counter-insurgency” strategy for America. But it’s America — not Afghanistan — where the strategy is already in place, and where the real action may take place.
According to one report, which documents the “unraveling” of US society, “the demand for guns and ammunition has hit a record high and the gun industry cannot produce enough bullets to keep up with orders. American’s are arming themselves to the teeth! In the past year, 100 new armed militia groups have been formed, as militia members have doubled in numbers. Federal authorities are gravely concerned about the “uptick in militia activities.” One federal authority recently said, “All it’s lacking is a spark. I think it’s only a matter of time before you see threats and violence.”
The Official Documents
Contingency plans for martial law were signed by President Bush just before the election in November 2008. These plans, written in bureaucratic detail, have appeared on the Internet in what seems to be a leak of classified government documents. (US Domestic Control Measures.pdf by Bradley Moscrip)
Giving various reasons that would justify martial law (for example, “the refusal of the population to pay or unusual difficulty to collect rent, taxes, or loan payments”), the plans call for the suspension of the Constitution; the permanent confiscation of all firearms (while telling the gun owners that the confiscation is temporary); and the rounding up of large numbers of the “indigenous population” in detention camps.
Noting that there are presently 600 detention camps (soon to be expanded to 1500, generally in rural uninhabited areas), one of the documents provides the location of 94 of these detention sites in 28 states.
True or False?
How reliable is this information? Are these documents real? Popular conservative gate-keepers like Glenn Beck have pooh-poohed stories about the construction of detention sites across the country.
There’s no way to be certain, but to me they ring true. And skeptics who have personally researched the matter say there is no doubt that these detention camps exist. The real question is why.
Some say it’s simply that the government needs to be prepared to maintain civil order in case of enemy attack or civil emergency. But this doesn’t account for the scope and secrecy of the present plans. The documents posted on the Internet state that the real reason is the prospect of domestic insurrection.
In principle there’s nothing new here. The state’s first priority has always been to control its own population, especially when it is carrying out unpopular policies. In the 1860s the Lincoln administration not only crushed the southern states that tried to secede, it also crushed all dissent (and there was a lot of it) in the northern states.
Secretary of War Stanton ordered federal law officers to imprison anyone engaged by act, speech, or writing, in discouraging volunteer enlistments in the army. Habeas corpus was suspended; newspaper publishers, judges, and legislators who dissented from the war policy were jailed; and when a draft was instituted, hundreds of protesters were shot and killed.
The potential for these kinds of draconian actions is more real today than any time since the 1860s. Hardly a week goes by that the government is not announcing some new peril. At one time it’s a pandemic (currently swine flu); at another time it’s a terrorist attack; at yet another time it’s a financial collapse (recall that a Congressman revealed a year ago that Congress was threatened with the imposition of martial law if they should fail to approve the emergency bank bailout).
Current federal policies seem almost guaranteed to create some such crisis. The federal government is treating our current economic problems by creating monumental new levels of debt. This is like an alcoholic trying to cure himself by drinking even more whiskey. Once the temporary artificial stimulus has passed, the result will be an even greater collapse.
Conclusion
There is no shortage of scenarios that would lead to martial law, and many would be created by the policies of the government itself. Whatever the details, we may be confident that it has drawn up plans to suspend the Constitution “temporarily” and to impose direct military control of the civilian population. In both Waco and Katrina, US military forces were employed, though not publicized. More recently, the Pentagon has established the Northern Command, designed to carry out military operations within the US.
Yes, we may launch a “counter-insurgency strategy” in Afghanistan, at least for a while. But America’s power is waning overseas. We’re overextended militarily and financially. We’re looking for a way to scale back if not withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. (The new buzzword is “endgame.”) Most significantly, Obama seems to be seeking to reduce American power and autonomy.
So the future for counter-insurgency may be here at home. The US government may be planning for a reduced role in the world, but it is not planning for a reduced role at home. On the contrary, it plans to take control of all aspects of American society, as well as integrate America into a global system. And it recognizes that these plans may lead to resistance. So it is ready with a counter-insurgency strategy, and willing and able to implement it. We would be well advised not to play into its hands.
November 23, 2009
MNSteve
Retired, NRA Life member
Seems to me I've "heard" that there is a recall procedure for your elected "representative" if you feel they are not representing you. I think it requires a petition with "X" number of voter's signatures. Then the representative have to return to their district to "face the music". Think maybe a try at Googling something like this might get something. Maybe something like this would be in the state's constitution. Just a thought.
Try this URL: http://govote.avoiceofthepeople.com/
Try this URL: http://govote.avoiceofthepeople.com/
love the photo! and to quote my pres.(Charlton Heston) " FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS'
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