CCW Holder shot by LVMPD - Justified?????


billt said:
The same reason I do in Arizona. We have BOTH concealed, as well as open carry. Now, thanks to our common sense Governor Jan Brewer, we can do both without a permit as it should be. It makes zero sense to have open carry without a permit, then require one if you cover it with a T shirt. This whole thing is starting to reek of a typical trigger happy cop story. Bill T.
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Also Vermont and Alaska.
 
Thanks Wolfhunter, I was wondering myself.

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)
 
LVMPD Costco shooting "911 dispatch and responding officers" recordings have been released through Radio Reference. com. I heard bits and pieces on channel 8 CBS news but have not been able to locate them on the web site. here's the link
RadioReference.com - Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
The I team from CBS news also reported on the Costco shooting today also, here's the link;
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then fast forward to 5:47 minutes into recording to listen to Costco initial report, about 16 minutes long.
 
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I find it interesting the incident was characterized as a "413" right from the outset. If we have one "fact" at this point, it would be that the deceased was not very good at the "concealed" part of concealed carry.

For whatever reason.
 
If I'm "Metro", and there is a video, which there obviously is, and it shows officers were just in this shooting, I would have it broadcast over every media and Internet outlet known to man, with the Chief Of Police personally giving the play by play. It would be stupid not to with all of this negative controversy brewing.The victims family attorney on local TV, billboards asking "Where are the tapes?". The longer they, (the cops), drag this thing out and hide under their desks, the worse they look. Both in and out of court. Something stinks, that's for certain. If police have direct evidence that justifies their behaviour, you can bet they'd have it out in 5 minutes. They don't. Bill T.
 
billt said:
If I'm "Metro", and there is a video, which there obviously is, and it shows officers were just in this shooting, I would have it broadcast over every media and Internet outlet known to man, with the Chief Of Police personally giving the play by play. It would be stupid not to with all of this negative controversy brewing.The victims family attorney on local TV, billboards asking "Where are the tapes?". The longer they, (the cops), drag this thing out and hide under their desks, the worse they look. Both in and out of court. Something stinks, that's for certain. If police have direct evidence that justifies their behaviour, you can bet they'd have it out in 5 minutes. They don't. Bill T.
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I agree Bill. The police were so quick to shoot and take a mans life but unable or unwilling to providing the evidence that this was indeed the case. The police dispatcher told the units responding that the male was possibly high on 446. This set the stage and they ordered the store to be evacuated and responded as if a crack head was shooting up the place with an AK-47. This guy didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell. My guess from here on out is that the police will announce the video was not useful or did not capture the confrontation or some other BS and the 911 tapes will never be released to the public. I hope I am wrong and the family gets closure and the guilty cops get charged with murder. Bottom line here is that cops do make mistakes and usually when they do people get killed with the excuse that they feared for their life. The LVPD needs to get on the ball. They have tarnished their reputation. The investigation needs to be conducted by an outside agency and the sooner the better.
 
wolfhunter said:
This logic implies that a licensed driver can no longer ride a bicycle. Please provide a statutory reference.
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This is not true in NV about not being able to open carry once you have a ccw. This belief stems from several ccw instructors telling this to students. I almost did not get my ccw because someone who took a class was told this, and relayed it to me. I did some checking and found that some ccw instructors do not believe in open carry and spread this. Also, some do tell students it is "best" to conceal if you have a permit, since open carry can lead to issues such as complaints, confrontations, etc. But there is nothing in any statute or legislation regarding open carry period. I went so far as to call the ccw detail in vegas and they practically laughed at me and said that does not even make sense. Which of course it doesn't
 
That's what I suspected. It is amazing the amount of misinformation floating around Internet forums. This is not my primary cyber-haunt (not even close) but the same sort of thing crops up elsewhere all the time.

The difference between what some people think they know and the actual ground truth on any given topic can be pretty disturbing.

Hence my FUD busting campaign here. This place is just insane.
 
buddy said:
This is not true in NV about not being able to open carry once you have a ccw. This belief stems from several ccw instructors telling this to students. I almost did not get my ccw because someone who took a class was told this, and relayed it to me. I did some checking and found that some ccw instructors do not believe in open carry and spread this. Also, some do tell students it is "best" to conceal if you have a permit, since open carry can lead to issues such as complaints, confrontations, etc. But there is nothing in any statute or legislation regarding open carry period. I went so far as to call the ccw detail in vegas and they practically laughed at me and said that does not even make sense. Which of course it doesn't
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Now why would the instructors not like open carry?
IMO, these instructors are seasoned firearm's owners. Most are NRA members. Imo, they would not want to violate anyone's rights.
For those who open carry, have you had anyone follow you around with a video camera? It would be interesting to view.
 
Again?

For those of you not familiar with Las Vegas Metro tactics they have a nasty habit of shooting first and asking questions later. I've seen it many times in my thirty yrs here in Vegas. Before all you thin blue liners start your whinning--the Police controlled inquest has NEVER returned an unjustified shooting result to my recollection.
 
Hoplites1234 said:
For those of you not familiar with Las Vegas Metro tactics they have a nasty habit of shooting first and asking questions later. I've seen it many times in my thirty yrs here in Vegas. Before all you thin blue liners start your whinning--the Police controlled inquest has NEVER returned an unjustified shooting result to my recollection.
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Didn't think they actually did ask questions. Shoot first, and justify it. Unarmed people, shooting people in the back running from a traffic stop, etc. I actually read that only one time was the shooting unjustified. Don't know when that was or the facts of that case, but it must have happened a while ago.

There are many good LVMPD officers, but there enough bad ones out there that gives the entire department a bad name. Now NLVPD is another story. You never want to get involved with that group (and Henderson PD is only slightly better than NLVPD). I have worked with LVMPD and NHP, and never had any problems with NHP. Some of the LVMPD need to find another job ASAP.
 
Unfortunately, it's not just the decreased, or lack of, interaction with the general population that has caused the LEO's in the last generation or two to become more aggressive. The media (primarily TV, movies, etc.) often portray LEO's as "larger than life" and their dealings with folks are not what one would necessarily consider to be on a positive note. Remember the term "John Wayne" syndrome? Often it seems that the majority of those that want to become LEOs have a "need" for the sense of power that is associated with being a LEO. Psychological screening of potential candidates eliminates those that are "tweaked", but it won't eliminate all, especially since being a sworn officer does, in fact, require a bit more, shall we say, "testosterone" than the average clerk's job does. Couple that with the fact that sworn officers exposure to larger numbers of individuals (and groups) that have a decreased amount of respect for them (and, for that matter, the law in general) and LEOs become more than a bit biased, beginning to deal with ALL citizens as proverbial "scumbags." Being a sworn peace officer is no easy task any longer as a percentage (albeit a small one) of the general population would just as soon shoot them than to deal with them, coupled with a marked general respect for the law (and those that enforce it), not to mention the influence of the media, etc., and it's almost a wonder we don't have more instances of highly aggressive LEOs.

Just my humble opinion, for whatever it's worth. :no:
 
Thanks for clearing that up. When I got my CCW back in1999 that is what they told us. So I do believe you are right about some trainer. They told us once the gun was on our CCW, and back then you could only have one gun on your card, it had to be concealed. Thank God I live in KY. now and can do both with any second looks.
 
JEFFANDTHEA said:
Thanks for clearing that up. When I got my CCW back in1999 that is what they told us. So I do believe you are right about some trainer. They told us once the gun was on our CCW, and back then you could only have one gun on your card, it had to be concealed. Thank God I live in KY. now and can do both with any second looks.
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Same here, its simply not true.
 
danfordman said:
A West Point grad was shopping at Costco when a customer noticed he was carry a concealed weapon and called police. Las Vegas Police shot and killed the man. The family of the CCW holder said he was complying with police commands. You be the judge. here's the link:
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LVMPD - Shoot First, Ask Questions Later...

Dead Men Tell No Tales...

Time To Start Holding LVMPD Accountable For Their Actions...
 
buddy said:
This is not true in NV about not being able to open carry once you have a ccw. This belief stems from several ccw instructors telling this to students. I almost did not get my ccw because someone who took a class was told this, and relayed it to me. I did some checking and found that some ccw instructors do not believe in open carry and spread this. Also, some do tell students it is "best" to conceal if you have a permit, since open carry can lead to issues such as complaints, confrontations, etc. But there is nothing in any statute or legislation regarding open carry period. I went so far as to call the ccw detail in vegas and they practically laughed at me and said that does not even make sense. Which of course it doesn't
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+1 You are absolutely right on this, I am a Nevada CCW holder and I heard the same b.s. ...
But got clarification about the intent of where this is coming from via attorneys and various instructors that are personal friends...

Basically, in Nevada with a CCW you can get charged with brandishing a firearm, in a number of very questionable ways, due to loop holes in the NRS... including open carrying one of your handguns that is on your permit; or having a "tell" of your less-then concealed handgun...

So... many of the instructors in Nevada are telling people to carry very obviously in the open or in deep concealment...

A good lawyer can get you off of this, if you are pinched but you are not going to get the money back you have to spend to beat it, because its a discretionary call on the part of the cops...
IF you have $5000.00 to start... to throw away on principal then feel free to test the waters...

I recommend joining and supporting Gun Owners of Nevada, as they are actively lobbying the State Legislators to get some of the more heinous laws off the books like the CLARK COUNTY ONLY MANDATORY HANDGUN REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT, AKA: BLUE CARD.
And getting our CCW NICS Exemption back...
Gun Owners of Nevada Official Website
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The best advice I have been given in this respect is when confronted by a police officer for a traffic stop or whatever and he/she ASK'S if you are carrying any weapons; you answer in the following manner and order...
"I have a concealed carry permit AND I am carrying" ...

IF they don't ask, you are not obligated to tell...

Specific to Nevada; in Casinos with Security Officers, when approached and asked, your response should be the same...
"I have a concealed carry permit AND I am carrying" ...

Best Regards.
 
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