First, I'd like to say that I TOTALLY understand and agree with the fact that we all have rights and don't want to lose them. However, I keep seeing many posts about how an officer confronts someone open carrying and the person refuses to cooperate. I saw another post about a hotel asking someone to show their CCW permit. Again, I TOTALLY understand that you don't have to and they have no legal grounds, but why wouldn't you cooperate and just get it over with? I'm really curious as to why it's such a big deal to so many of you not to cooperate. It's not like they're going to take your rights away from you and you're not incriminating yourself in any way by cooperating. The situation would be much easier if you just answer the questions and move on. Now, if they won't stop hassling you after you've cooperated, then I could see the point of refusing to cooperate further. So, is there something I'm missing?
I agree. When you are driving and stopped by a cop he asks for your drivers license, do you give it to him? If a person submits to the cop in all other situations why not when you are carrying?
I really do not understand the macho attitude of "I'm standing up for my rights". By causing drama I feel that "Macho Man" is showing that he is not grown up nor has the proper temperate to be carrying a loaded firearm.
We have not become a socialist country YET. Until that happens then we each can have and state our opinion.
Deserteagle: sorry, thought a forum was to discuss things. I didn't know posing a question with 2 different viewpoints was forbidden. I won't do that anymore. SGB: I'd gladly show you my licenses, doesn't bother me a bit. Now, if you want to help me with this question, please let me know why I shouldn't divulge any information. That's the point I don't understand. Is it just not to be a sissy or not have a backbone? Is that all it is? If so, I guess it was just a stupid question. My bad.
If I have broken no laws, I will not give my identification to a stranger. You can call me a "macho man" for sticking to my rights, I'll call you a "sissy" for giving yours up. Sound good?
I did not say giving my ID to a stranger. I said to a "cop". Sounds like you do not like cops. I know many who do not like cops and look for an excuse to get into a confrontation with one. I will not give my ID to just anyone. But when a cop asks for your Drivers License after stopping you do you say no? How do you know that you have broken no laws? Now if it just harassment I will not take that at all. Stick up for your rights but there are ways to do it without causing drama. By causing drama the people around will most likely be turned off by your actions. Then when some idiot will introduces a bill to limit our gun rights they may go along with it.
I wants cops to be able to ask to see ID because there are many out there who are carrying but do not have the right. Does Chicago ring a bell?
I did not say giving my ID to a stranger. I said to a "cop". Sounds like you do not like cops. I know many who do not like cops and look for an excuse to get into a confrontation with one. I will not give my ID to just anyone.
But when a cop asks for your Drivers License after stopping you do you say no?
How do you know that you have broken no laws?
Now if it just harassment I will not take that at all. Stick up for your rights but there are ways to do it without causing drama. By causing drama the people around will most likely be turned off by your actions. Then when some idiot will introduces a bill to limit our gun rights they may go along with it.
I wants cops to be able to ask to see ID because there are many out there who are carrying but do not have the right. Does Chicago ring a bell?
With that said, here's how Massad Ayoob teaches that a traffic stop should go down with a legal civilian firearm present;
Deserteagle: sorry, thought a forum was to discuss things. I didn't know posing a question with 2 different viewpoints was forbidden. I won't do that anymore. SGB: I'd gladly show you my licenses, doesn't bother me a bit. Now, if you want to help me with this question, please let me know why I shouldn't divulge any information. That's the point I don't understand. Is it just not to be a sissy or not have a backbone? Is that all it is? If so, I guess it was just a stupid question. My bad.
I did not say giving my ID to a stranger. I said to a "cop". Sounds like you do not like cops. I know many who do not like cops and look for an excuse to get into a confrontation with one. I will not give my ID to just anyone. But when a cop asks for your Drivers License after stopping you do you say no? How do you know that you have broken no laws? Now if it just harassment I will not take that at all. Stick up for your rights but there are ways to do it without causing drama. By causing drama the people around will most likely be turned off by your actions. Then when some idiot will introduces a bill to limit our gun rights they may go along with it.
I wants cops to be able to ask to see ID because there are many out there who are carrying but do not have the right. Does Chicago ring a bell?
Ever heard of a random DUI checkpoint? You have no more right to carry a firearm in public than Joe Citizen has to operate a motor vehicle on a public road. Same principle applies. If the authority wants to see your license, you show it.1. In order for the officer to stop my vehicle, he must have personally seen me commit a traffic offense,
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