The "issue" is that bullying NEVER abates through submission. It always ESCALATES. Have you ever seen a bully STOP being a bully when he could get EVERYTHING he wanted by BEING a bully?I dont see it quite like that. If for some reason LE thought something was up and wanted to see my ID and it had nothing to do with my side arm (left it at home that day for instance) Whats the issue with showing it to them?
Such as?There are other ways to excersize your rights with out being detained to argue the issue.
Does it matter how the police conduct themselves?How you conduct yourself makes all the difference! So far I have never been questioned about my side arm.
I dont see it quite like that. If for some reason LE thought something was up and wanted to see my ID and it had nothing to do with my side arm (left it at home that day for instance) Whats the issue with showing it to them? There are other ways to excersize your rights with out being detained to argue the issue. Its not going to change their mind. Need to change their attitudes but the fact is there are so damn many criminal and nut jobs out there.
Im a business owner that lives in a smaller community on the fringe of mass expansion, we dont even have our own police dept. County Sheriff services us. 1 grocery store. Lots of the same people see you in different places. Feed store, restraunt, local park, hardware store, farmers market... How you conduct yourself makes all the difference! So far I have never been questioned about my side arm.
There's a difference between complying and CONSENTING.Some people here have suggested that not complying with the request (demand) for an ID is the way to go. I'm not going to dispute that but I would add one thought.
If you are trying to educate the LEO that what he is doing is wrong or unlawful, then this is the wrong way to go about it. 99.9% of the people I arrested or ticketed claimed that they were innocent, or that I couldn't arrest them, or that what they were doing was legal. When you claim that they are violating your rights or that their demand is unlawful, all they hear is blah, blah, blah.
If you really want to get your point across, then comply, let the cop have his moment in the sun, and then file a formal complaint with the department. If this were to happen enough times, believe me...the LEO's superiors will come down on him/her like a ton of bricks. The last thing they want are MORE citizen complaints, especially when the citizen is right.
I'm not saying that you HAVE to do this, but it is an option to consider. Your actions should be dictated by the situation and by your own personal preferences.
I thought that is what this forum was for? to discuss our views and opinions about related topics... Am I wrong? If you do not agree with my view that is fine, you can say so but there is no need to mock me for my comments.
Sir, you need to comprehend that this forum (as well as all others) is dominated by trolls and OUR opinions are only sources for them to mentally masturbate ad-hominem diatribes for their own self agrandizment.
Hey gordy buddy..... Your have had your a$$ handed to you soooooooooooo many times on this forum, I am surprised you even bother.... No-one believes or agrees with your views (except maybe nogods) and if anyone on these forums is deserving of the title of a troll, it is you....
Unless you live in a state where you must present ID on demand, it's a violation of your rights. The 4th amendment, says:I'm not sure why anyone would have issue with presenting ID to a LEO that asked. Far beyond your understanding of current activity that you, not an LEO, have no idea about current criminal conditions in your area.
And the courts have already determined that simply carrying a firearm is not reasonable articulable suspicion for demanding identification.4th Amendment said:The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Equally hopefully, Mr. Fiorino will file a civil suit for the police violating his civil rights.Link Removed
"A new investigation was launched, and last month the District Attorney's Office decided to charge Fiorino with reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct because, a spokeswoman said, he refused to cooperate with police... He's scheduled for trial in July."
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Hopefully after spending $10,000 for his court trial, Mr. Fiorino will be judged "not guilty" for legally open carrying his handgun in Philadelphia.
I don't know about Ohio, but in many jurisdictions, you can still appeal a plea deal. I would have appealed that one, and gotten a better attorney. You should have contacted some of the many grass roots state organizations, I'd be willing to bet, one or more of them would have come up with a much more intelligent attorney who could have beat the charges.i open carry all the time and i was arrested once while carrying a bag of mcdonalds home to my girlfriend. my gun was holstered and i conducted myself respectfully. the plaincholths officer however did not. i demanded to see his police issue photo id and he showed me his driver's license (what an idiot). he was swearing the whole time and was doing survaillance for a guy who looked nothing like me and then complainted that i almost blew his steakout... and to top it off he looked like a walrus... since it was my word against his (and even his report said i was open carrying on foot) and had an idiot public defender (she claimed you need a license just to own a gun anywhere in the us...) if i took my chances i would have ended up with an f4 so i plead to an m1 charge and got zero jail time, no fine, and no probation. i just lost my job because of it.
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