The ability to carry any firearm is almost absolutely prohibited in what, three states?
The ability to carry a pistol concealed is licensed in most states.
The ability to carry an unconcealed pistol is licensed in a few states.
The ability to carry an unconcealed pistol without so much as a license is the law in very few states.
Which states even regulate the carry of long arms?
Apparently they don't see it as some kind of big problem.
This reminds me of something Orwellian "All guns are bad, but some small ones are less bad than others."
Actually, 42 states allow open carry, 26 of which allow open carry with no permit.
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My own $0.02. This guy was clearly trolling for a confrontation. I would have handled the situation this way. Approach and inform him of why I was making contact with him and ask for ID and to inspect his firearm. If he says no, well, have a nice day, and leave. Condition corrected. If he started complaining about being "harrassed" by the police for exercising his "constitutional rights" I'd probably tell him the police can't ignore 911 calls and its our job to investigate the call and make contact with him. End of story. Let the dispatcher know it was a citizen lawfully going about his/her lawful business. I would waste 1/2 a second trying to explain my personal views about open carry. This takes all the wind out of his sails and makes for a forgettable you-tube video.
My own $0.02. This guy was clearly trolling for a confrontation.
I would have handled the situation this way. Approach and inform him of why I was making contact with him and ask for ID and to inspect his firearm. If he says no, well, have a nice day, and leave. Condition corrected.
If he started complaining about being "harrassed" by the police for exercising his "constitutional rights" I'd probably tell him the police can't ignore 911 calls and its our job to investigate the call and make contact with him. End of story. Let the dispatcher know it was a citizen lawfully going about his/her lawful business.
I would waste 1/2 a second trying to explain my personal views about open carry. This takes all the wind out of his sails and makes for a forgettable you-tube video.
This takes all the wind out of his sails and makes for a forgettable you-tube video.
I suspect he has had bad experiences with cops prior to recording and wants to record any and all evidence in case of a trial. I personally prefer to conceal carry since it prevents me from being target by a criminal, however I see no reason why someone has to choose one or the other since I could open on my right hip while concealing IWB on my left hip
Without the videos many people would never have seen actual proof that open carry is legal and that the cops can't stop them from doing it.I'm just SO tired of these videos. I have stopped watching them for a couple (at least) reasons, one is because they are too long and a waste of my time, second because the person doing the video is as the original poster said, looking for 15 minutes of fame on utube ( I know .... spelling) I OC and CCW here in the great state of Arizona, and have NEVER recorded an encounter with LEO in or out of this state. It gets SO old watching these........
Blues post is spot on. I would just like to add, when he adds a video that you just described (for the most part), it makes for the completely opposite video you believe it would have. The sails would be full of wind and more people will see good cops. He's not out just to find bad cops, but good cops as well. Is that not a good thing? Compared to other videos, and truly just by itself alone, the Eugene pd represented themselves extremely poorly, that is their problem, not markedguardians.
That's crazy...because that's exactly why I open carry, so I'm not targeted by a criminal. How exactly is concealed preventing you from being targeted again? I mean...they can't see your firearm so what's preventing them from picking you?
The chance you may have a firearm? That's what's stopping them? So if a 20% chance you have a gun prevents them (to them it's an 80% chance you don't, that's good chances for them), how does 100% chance you have a gun not stop them?
Blues post is spot on. I would just like to add, when he adds a video that you just described (for the most part), it makes for the completely opposite video you believe it would have. The sails would be full of wind and more people will see good cops. He's not out just to find bad cops, but good cops as well. Is that not a good thing? Compared to other videos, and truly just by itself alone, the Eugene pd represented themselves extremely poorly, that is their problem, not markedguardians.
That's crazy...because that's exactly why I open carry, so I'm not targeted by a criminal. How exactly is concealed preventing you from being targeted again? I mean...they can't see your firearm so what's preventing them from picking you?
The chance you may have a firearm? That's what's stopping them? So if a 20% chance you have a gun prevents them (to them it's an 80% chance you don't, that's good chances for them), how does 100% chance you have a gun not stop them?
If I am openly carrying armed robbers might see me as a threat before I can react and shoot thus removing the threat to their crime. If they think I am unarmed than I have the advantage of surpirse. I am also aware of instances of open carriers being targeted for their weapon and I do not want my weapon being stolen and used for homicide or suicide or both. I have heard of a cop that offered a woman a ride home in the front and she without warning grabbed his gun and blew her brains out and I think he is lucky that she was not homicidal.
Another idiot. Proof that the gene pool has been tainted....His parents must be so proud!
Please post cites and/or links with actual facts to these incidents that you speak of.If I am openly carrying armed robbers might see me as a threat before I can react and shoot thus removing the threat to their crime. If they think I am unarmed than I have the advantage of surpirse. I am also aware of instances of open carriers being targeted for their weapon and I do not want my weapon being stolen and used for homicide or suicide or both. I have heard of a cop that offered a woman a ride home in the front and she without warning grabbed his gun and blew her brains out and I think he is lucky that she was not homicidal.
The following incident occured in New Mexico in early 2011:Please post cites and/or links with actual facts to these incidents that you speak of.
Bear in mind that folks open carry in many States... but I'll just pick Arizona and note that open carry there has been happening for decades... DECADES!... so it should be easy for you to back up your claims of open carriers are being "shot first" and/or "targeted for their weapon" with cites and/or links to several hundred actual incidents where this has happened.
And we all know that the media would jump all over these incidents.. if there were any in any number to notice... but the silence from the media on this matter is only surpassed by the silence from those who make those claims when asked to provide proof.
So borgranta .... got cites and/or links?
Please post cites and/or links with actual facts to these incidents that you speak of.
Bear in mind that folks open carry in many States... but I'll just pick Arizona and note that open carry there has been happening for decades... DECADES!... so it should be easy for you to back up your claims of open carriers are being "shot first" and/or "targeted for their weapon" with cites and/or links to several hundred actual incidents where this has happened.
And we all know that the media would jump all over these incidents.. if there were any in any number to notice... but the silence from the media on this matter is only surpassed by the silence from those who make those claims when asked to provide proof.
So borgranta .... got cites and/or links?
The following incident occured in New Mexico in early 2011:Please post cites and/or links with actual facts to these incidents that you speak of.
Bear in mind that folks open carry in many States... but I'll just pick Arizona and note that open carry there has been happening for decades... DECADES!... so it should be easy for you to back up your claims of open carriers are being "shot first" and/or "targeted for their weapon" with cites and/or links to several hundred actual incidents where this has happened.
And we all know that the media would jump all over these incidents.. if there were any in any number to notice... but the silence from the media on this matter is only surpassed by the silence from those who make those claims when asked to provide proof.
So borgranta .... got cites and/or links?
"Mr. Torres observed the firearm on Mr. Garcia’s hip, then announced he was a DEA (Drug Enforcement) Agent, and stated he had evidence that Mr. Garcia was going to rob the restaurant.
Mr. Torres then attacked Mr. Garcia, hitting him and trying to remove the firearm from the holster. The firearm fell to the floor where an uninvolved party picked it up and placed it in the manager’s office.
Other customers restrained mr. Torres until Albuquerque Police Arrived.
Mr. Torres was arrested for “several felony charges”, and was taken to the hospital for treatment."
Mr. Garcia (Victim) was also arrested as he took his firearm into a licensed liquor establishment which is a felony in New Mexico.
I am including the link to the original article below
Open Carrier Arrested After Scuffle
It was past tense. The rest of the world hadn't posted here."Any of you" involves anyone able to read this forum...which is nearly anyone in the world, including the police, the members here, the politicians, etc etc.
Yes. So?Let me test your theory.
Just because you can respond to this thread, doesn't mean you should.
Or how about this one...
Just because you can own a firearm, doesn't mean you should.
Who and what are you talking about?What do you think our lovely counter parts are suggesting, even using to push control legislation?
Yes it does chen...sorry-I didn't realize that was you in the video......didn't quite picture you with that kind of squeaky voice and all...my apologies :to_pick_ones_nose3:
WOW- there are TWELVE pages of good arguments but I'm gonna keep it simple and quote my first post on this thread....the guy still is a GIANT----
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two words....douche-bag or is that one?
It was past tense. The rest of the world hadn't posted here."Any of you" involves anyone able to read this forum...which is nearly anyone in the world, including the police, the members here, the politicians, etc etc.
Yes. So?Let me test your theory.
Just because you can respond to this thread, doesn't mean you should.
Or how about this one...
Just because you can own a firearm, doesn't mean you should.
Who and what are you talking about?What do you think our lovely counter parts are suggesting, even using to push control legislation?
Old one, got any more? Or do you make your choice off an anomaly? I posted a link of over 30 concealed carriers being chosen, in just one state...so if one incident you found scares you to open carry, how are you not afraid to conceal?
And yet again, I just like to point out, a story that the open carrier was not shot first.
Open carry is 99.9% safe but it is no guarantee that you will not encounter dangers that is why practice and awareness is important to help you protect life and property.
I recommend against open carry styles that prevent you from seeing if someone is going after your gun such as holstered on the back.
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