All you Portland people... what just happened?

[Firefighterchen]

In West Virginia, the CCW law states that if the business is posted "no weapons" that you can still take the weapon in as long as it is concealed. It is a misdemeanor crime, however, and only chargeable after someone discovers you have a weapon and then refused to leave with it. There is no law broken by simply taking a weapon inside a business that prohibits them, because the signs don't hold the rule of law here. Am I right to assume the law is different in Oregon?

What? If it's a misdemeanor crime, then no you can't take your firearm passed the sign because there is a law...

Murder is a far worse crime, but it's only chargeable after you get caught...So as long as you don't get caught it's ok?

In Oregon, there is:

Criminal trespass in the second degree. (ORS 164.245)

Criminal trespass in the first degree. (ORS 164.255)

Criminal trespass while possessing a firearm. (ORS 164.265)

The last two are class A misdemeanors.

 

[walt629]

Sounds so simple... But with hundreds panicking in a crowded environment, mayhem, cats chasing dogs...

I'm not buying that statement. Maybe if you're lucky, there would be an opportunity.

I would imagine that in the midst of an active shooter scenario, things are seemingly out of control. But in a situation like this is when you need to be able to rely on your training. Staying relatively calm, make the right decisions for your safety and make the shot when available.

Personally I believe a lot of what observers call luck, is actually the result of proper planning and good execution of existing skills. When you trip and fall off a cliff and land in a pile of foam mattresses, that's luck.

Surviving an active shooter scenario because you listened to the screaming voice in your head that was telling you to Move! Cover! Protect! Evade! was just you following your training.

 

[walt629]

So many wannabe rambos. Typical of this place.

So many people that have no real need of a gun in this place.

 

[walt629]

why isn't there talk about eliminating violence on TV. all these crybabies in Hollywood saying that guns kill and need to be outlawed, while making movie after movie about killing. Or outlawing violent video games that glorify killing people. TV, movies, video games, local news all glorify killing.... so pathetic!

That would be an infringement on the 1st Amendment. And we all know that a business that absolutely relys on the 1A to protect their livelihood (the media) is NOT going to call for restrictions on the 1A. My question is "where are the parents to monitor their children's entertainment choices?".

 

[ShortStop]

I shop at Clackamas Town Center at least twice a month. I'm confused because I have NEVER seen any sign saying you weren't allowed to carry your firearm there. Not posted on any doors or anything...

 

[Firefighterchen]

I shop at Clackamas Town Center at least twice a month. I'm confused because I have NEVER seen any sign saying you weren't allowed to carry your firearm there. Not posted on any doors or anything...

I don't go nearly as often as you (once or twice a year), but I too can't recall a sign.

 

[sdprof]

I shop at Clackamas Town Center at least twice a month. I'm confused because I have NEVER seen any sign saying you weren't allowed to carry your firearm there. Not posted on any doors or anything...

Malls are very good about posting small, hard to read "signs" listing their Rules of Conduct. Buried down in the list of socially unacceptable behaviors is the prohibition on the carrying of weapons. Usually these signs are on clear plastic with pale lettering. Posted low on just one of the four doors (inside doors) at main mall entrances. In many cases, you won't find a sign if you enter by any store's direct entrance.

YMMV

 

[DLeeHarley]

In West Virginia, the CCW law states that if the business is posted "no weapons" that you can still take the weapon in as long as it is concealed. It is a misdemeanor crime, however, and only chargeable after someone discovers you have a weapon and then refused to leave with it. There is no law broken by simply taking a weapon inside a business that prohibits them, because the signs don't hold the rule of law here. Am I right to assume the law is different in Oregon?

It's the same here in the Great state of Idaho. Even if a business has a sign stating "No Weapons" you can enter CC'ing but of asked to leave or disarm and you refuse you can be charged with Criminal Trespass which is the Misdemeanor you were referring to. At least that's the law here.

Dennis in Idaho
Keep your Powder Dry!

 

[bigmac58]

In West Virginia, the CCW law states that if the business is posted "no weapons" that you can still take the weapon in as long as it is concealed. It is a misdemeanor crime, however, and only chargeable after someone discovers you have a weapon and then refused to leave with it. There is no law broken by simply taking a weapon inside a business that prohibits them, because the signs don't hold the rule of law here. Am I right to assume the law is different in Oregon?

What? If it's a misdemeanor crime, then no you can't take your firearm passed the sign because there is a law...

Murder is a far worse crime, but it's only chargeable after you get caught...So as long as you don't get caught it's ok?

In Oregon, there is:

Criminal trespass in the second degree. (ORS 164.245)

Criminal trespass in the first degree. (ORS 164.255)

Criminal trespass while possessing a firearm. (ORS 164.265)

The last two are class A misdemeanors.

Here is how it works in WV:

"Wherever signs are posted indicating weapon restrictions or where notice has been given by other means. (W.Va. Code § 61-7-14) However, a person is not subject to the misdemeanor penalty provided for a violation of any such restriction unless that person refuses to either leave or temporarily relinquish his or her weapon, upon being confronted about the violation."

So, if you're concealing correctly, the signs mean nothing unless someone discovers you have the weapon, and then on top of that, you still have to refuse to leave. The state obviously respects the individual right to defend oneself over the ability to post a sign removing the right.

 

[bigmac58]

What? If it's a misdemeanor crime, then no you can't take your firearm passed the sign because there is a law...

Murder is a far worse crime, but it's only chargeable after you get caught...So as long as you don't get caught it's ok?

In Oregon, there is:

Link Removed[/B] trespass in the second degree. (ORS 164.245)

Criminal trespass in the first degree. (ORS 164.255)

Criminal trespass while possessing a firearm. (ORS 164.265)

The last two are class A misdemeanors.

Here is the information on how WV views this topic right from this site:

"Wherever signs are posted indicating weapon restrictions or where notice has been given by other means. (W.Va. Code § 61-7-14) However, a person is not subject to the misdemeanor penalty provided for a violation of any such restriction unless that person refuses to either leave or temporarily relinquish his or her weapon, upon being confronted about the violation."

Hope this helps.

 

[Agent Green]

So many people that have no real need of a gun in this place.

100% agree. Doesn't apply to the LEOs here though, just the rambos.

 

[K7lvo]

What? If it's a misdemeanor crime, then no you can't take your firearm passed the sign because there is a law...

Murder is a far worse crime, but it's only chargeable after you get caught...So as long as you don't get caught it's ok?

In Oregon, there is:

Link Removed[/B] trespass in the second degree. (ORS 164.245)

Criminal trespass in the first degree. (ORS 164.255)

Criminal trespass while possessing a firearm. (ORS 164.265)

The last two are class A misdemeanors.

I'm confused... In all of these links, to commit criminal trespass, you have to "enter unlawfully." How is "entering unlawfully" defined? It also says that if someone enters after being banned, they have to do it with intent of theft. (IIRC)

Is it me, or is it the lawyer-speak?

 

[Firefighterchen]

What? If it's a misdemeanor crime, then no you can't take your firearm passed the sign because there is a law...

Murder is a far worse crime, but it's only chargeable after you get caught...So as long as you don't get caught it's ok?

In Oregon, there is:

Link Removed[/B] trespass in the second degree. (ORS 164.245)

Criminal trespass in the first degree. (ORS 164.255)

Criminal trespass while possessing a firearm. (ORS 164.265)

The last two are class A misdemeanors.

I'm confused... In all of these links, to commit criminal trespass, you have to "enter unlawfully." How is "entering unlawfully" defined? It also says that if someone enters after being banned, they have to do it with intent of theft. (IIRC)

Is it me, or is it the lawyer-speak?

Since we are gun carriers, the only one that really matters to us is 164.265. To me, knowingly passing a no gun sign is entering a premise against the owners wishes, and if the owner wanted to could press charges against you for knowingly entering his property armed.

I don't see anywhere that says the owner must verbally ask you to leave if the no gun sign is posted.

So many people that have no real need of a gun in this place.

100% agree. Doesn't apply to the LEOs here though, just the rambos.

weak...trying to play it off as if he wasn't talking about you...So weak...go hide in your hole again for a few months.

 

[Agent Green]

I will. You of course have no need to because having no life means you're here all the time doing what you do best: posting whatever it takes to aggrandize yourself for carrying a gun. At least I have to carry for work. Based on your posts it's clear you do it solely to compensate.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Yawn...keep fantasizing about other guys genitals, whatever floats your boat.

 

[kerb]

100% agree. Doesn't apply to the LEOs here though, just the rambos.

Right. Because history shows us that le are so effective in stopping these kind of attacks.

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[enbarnes]

That tears it:bad: I am unsubscribing from this thread now that it has degenerated into adolescent diatribe. I subscribe to these to learn something and I'm damn sure not learning anything from this!