Alcohol and concealed carry

I'm not addressing a legal limit. I'm addressing a person's reason for being armed in the first place in light of their consumption of alcohol.

When I am armed it is because I believe there is a risk, however so slight, that I may need my weapon to defend my life. I'm not going to reduce my ability to use my weapon for it's intended purpose (defending my life) by consuming alcohol.

There are people who open carry locked and loaded in order to eliminate as much delay and interference with their ability to respond to a threat. Others might use a safety after balancing their personal perception of the risks. Others may not carry with one in the chamber.

But whatever your personal choice of level of readiness, drinking alcohol negates your readiness level whatever it may be.

Before you have that first sip, do a Dirty Harry and ask yourself how lucky you feel today. Is today the day you'll need all your senses at their maximum capacity to safe your life? No? Then today is not a day that you need to carry. Go ahead and enjoy whatever mind altering drug you please.

and I/m quite sure that if someone comes along with the intent to do you harm... you can just turn to them and say... "Oh... I've had a beer today and so decided that I would be safer not carrying my firearm... you understand I'm sure... can we do this another day..."

Yup... that'll work :sarcastic:

As I said before (and as kel has just pointed out...) we are supposed to be adults, not inexperienced children... If you feel that YOU cannot be responsible enough to control your drinking when you do go out, PLEASE feel free to leave your keys and your gun at home, but do not assume that YOUR inability to control your own impluses is a reflection of everyone else. This is the same mentality that assumes that ANY person that carries a gun will eventually snap and go into a killing rage - we should therefore ban ALL guns to ensure that it does not happen.

For myself, I am a responsible adult and have learned not to go out and drink til I puke. I left that phase behind when I was in high school. If I screw up, I accept the consequences of my actions - as I do every day that I carry. The law (in one of it's rare moments) accords me the privilege of being an adult, I intend to keep that privilege by not abusing it.
 
and I/m quite sure that if someone comes along with the intent to do you harm... you can just turn to them and say... "Oh... I've had a beer today and so decided that I would be safer not carrying my firearm... you understand I'm sure... can we do this another day..."

Yup... that'll work :sarcastic:

As I said before (and as kel has just pointed out...) we are supposed to be adults, not inexperienced children... If you feel that YOU cannot be responsible enough to control your drinking when you do go out, PLEASE feel free to leave your keys and your gun at home, but do not assume that YOUR inability to control your own impluses is a reflection of everyone else. This is the same mentality that assumes that ANY person that carries a gun will eventually snap and go into a killing rage - we should therefore ban ALL guns to ensure that it does not happen.

For myself, I am a responsible adult and have learned not to go out and drink til I puke. I left that phase behind when I was in high school. If I screw up, I accept the consequences of my actions - as I do every day that I carry. The law (in one of it's rare moments) accords me the privilege of being an adult, I intend to keep that privilege by not abusing it.

Very good post.

If we assume the responsibilities of carrying responsibly, then we can certainly assume the responsibilities of drinking responsibly.

To say that any amount of alcohol negates the wisdom of carrying would also say that any amount of alcohol makes one too drunk to drive a car. Any amount...one beer (for that matter, one sip of one beer), no matter the size of the person, or any other factors involved.

Of course that is not true.

If you're going to drive, it is your responsibility to limit your drinking. If you are carrying, it is your responsibility to limit your drinking.

If we're adult enough to carry a firearm, we should be adult enough to know how much alcohol is enough.

And now that I think of it...that Coors Light I enjoyed at the restaurant Saturday night (with my XD in my pocket) really tasted great with my Fajitas.

mistergus75
 
For myself, I am a responsible adult and have learned not to go out and drink til I puke. I left that phase behind when I was in high school. If I screw up, I accept the consequences of my actions - as I do every day that I carry. The law (in one of it's rare moments) accords me the privilege of being an adult, I intend to keep that privilege by not abusing it.

A responsible adult knows that any amount of alcohol has an impact on ones motor skills, senses, and judgment. There is no threshold. The impact is progressive.

People who think they can drink alcohol without it affecting their system are delusional.

Alcohol affects every organ in the body, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It depresses the central nervous system because it is absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Even though the liver tries to metabolize alcohol, it can only work with a small amount at a time. What is not metabolized circulates throughout body and can affect motor skills.

Dutch researchers recently completed a study on the effects of "moderate" alcohol consumption. The lead author on the study is K. Richard Ridderinkhof of the University of Amsterdam and the Leiden University. It's published by the online edition of the journal Science called the Sciencexpress and depicts the slowed processes of brain functions due to impaired ability by even smaller amounts of alcohol equal to one drink.

The volunteers experienced an error rate of about 4.8 percent on placebo, but after the first drink the errors soared to 19.8 percent. Drinking alcohol also reduced processing speed.

Changes in brain action were quickly detected, leading the researchers to conclude that even a small amount of alcohol was enough to erode the mind's ability to detect and correct errors.

Measures of brain waves showed that the small doses of alcohol quickly affected the anterior cingulate cortex or ACC, a part of the brain that influences thinking processes and the unconscious detection of error.

Studies have shown that:

At .02% Blood Alcohol Concentration:

-Some loss of judgment
-Relaxation
-Slight body warmth
-Altered mood
-Decline in visual functions (rapid tracking of a moving target)
-Decline in ability to perform two tasks at the same time (divided attention)

At .05% Blood Alcohol Concentration:

-Muscle coordination becomes poor (e.g., balance, speech, vision, reaction time, and hearing)
-Harder to detect danger
-Judgment, self-control, reasoning, and memory are impaired
-Reduced information processing capability (e.g., signal detection, visual search)
-Impaired perception

Moreover, alcohol inhibits your ability to recognize the impact it is having on you. So although your loss of motor skills can be measured from just one drink, you will swear you are not impaired

But to hell with science - you all are "responsible enough when to stop drinking..."

The truth is one who thinks like that is not responsible to start drinking in the first place.

And those who drink and carry lose the "I have the right to protect myself" claim because if they wanted to protect themselves they wouldn't be drinking in the first place if they seriously thought they would need to draw their weapon in self defense.

The last question on the background check should be: "Do you think any amount of alcohol will impact on your motor skills, sensory perception and reaction time?"

Answer no, and the response should be "No gun for you today! Next!"
 
A responsible adult knows that any amount of alcohol has an impact on ones motor skills, senses, and judgment. There is no threshold. The impact is progressive.

People who think they can drink alcohol without it affecting their system are delusional.

Alcohol affects every organ in the body, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It depresses the central nervous system because it is absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Even though the liver tries to metabolize alcohol, it can only work with a small amount at a time. What is not metabolized circulates throughout body and can affect motor skills.

nogods,

I confess I haven't plowed through this whole thread (scanned, rather), so if you've already covered this, please forgive me.

Just to understand where you're coming from...

Do you believe it's wrong for Christians to drink, even moderately?

mistergus75
 
nogods,

I confess I haven't plowed through this whole thread (scanned, rather), so if you've already covered this, please forgive me.

Just to understand where you're coming from...

Do you believe it's wrong for Christians to drink, even moderately?

mistergus75

I'm not anti-alcohol. I don't see it as a legal or moral issue. I think it is practical consideration.

My point is that most of us carry because we want to be ready to defend our lives. When we ingest alcohol we are inhibiting that readiness.
 
A responsible adult knows that any amount of alcohol has an impact on ones motor skills, senses, and judgment. There is no threshold. The impact is progressive.

People who think they can drink alcohol without it affecting their system are delusional.

Alcohol affects every organ in the body, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It depresses the central nervous system because it is absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Even though the liver tries to metabolize alcohol, it can only work with a small amount at a time. What is not metabolized circulates throughout body and can affect motor skills.

Dutch researchers recently completed a study on the effects of "moderate" alcohol consumption. The lead author on the study is K. Richard Ridderinkhof of the University of Amsterdam and the Leiden University. It's published by the online edition of the journal Science called the Sciencexpress and depicts the slowed processes of brain functions due to impaired ability by even smaller amounts of alcohol equal to one drink.

The volunteers experienced an error rate of about 4.8 percent on placebo, but after the first drink the errors soared to 19.8 percent. Drinking alcohol also reduced processing speed.

Changes in brain action were quickly detected, leading the researchers to conclude that even a small amount of alcohol was enough to erode the mind's ability to detect and correct errors.

Measures of brain waves showed that the small doses of alcohol quickly affected the anterior cingulate cortex or ACC, a part of the brain that influences thinking processes and the unconscious detection of error.

Studies have shown that:

At .02% Blood Alcohol Concentration:

-Some loss of judgment
-Relaxation
-Slight body warmth
-Altered mood
-Decline in visual functions (rapid tracking of a moving target)
-Decline in ability to perform two tasks at the same time (divided attention)

At .05% Blood Alcohol Concentration:

-Muscle coordination becomes poor (e.g., balance, speech, vision, reaction time, and hearing)
-Harder to detect danger
-Judgment, self-control, reasoning, and memory are impaired
-Reduced information processing capability (e.g., signal detection, visual search)
-Impaired perception

Moreover, alcohol inhibits your ability to recognize the impact it is having on you. So although your loss of motor skills can be measured from just one drink, you will swear you are not impaired

But to hell with science - you all are "responsible enough when to stop drinking..."

The truth is one who thinks like that is not responsible to start drinking in the first place.

And those who drink and carry lose the "I have the right to protect myself" claim because if they wanted to protect themselves they wouldn't be drinking in the first place if they seriously thought they would need to draw their weapon in self defense.

The last question on the background check should be: "Do you think any amount of alcohol will impact on your motor skills, sensory perception and reaction time?"

Answer no, and the response should be "No gun for you today! Next!"
Here's another way of putting it.

0.00 g/210 liters of breath - This is the only safe BAC level.
0.02 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level US federal laws mandate that a person in a safety sensitive transportation job must be removed from the workplace.
0.04 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level US federal laws mandate that a person in a safety sensitive transportation job must be sanctioned and may lose their job. Also in most states a person can be convicted of driving under the influence at this level.
0.08 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level you can be convicted of driving while intoxicated in ALL states.
0.30 g/210 liters of breath - At this level most people will lose conciousness.
0.40 g/210 liters of breath - At this level most people will become comatose and may die.

Many people get arrested while driving in the .16 range.
 
IMO if you drink and CC or drive (and we need a number for determining this and whether some repliers like it or not, the number is 08) and you are over 08 you should go to jail--period end of story. If you end up injurying someone or killing them, it s manslaughter and your life as you knew it is over; so are all your belongings which have now been conveyed to others thru a civil suit. You are plain nuts if you CC and have more than one drink, which I believe will always keep you under 08.
 
Nobody has improved motor skills after drinking, with that said for those of you who think the police can/will protect you from robbery or murder, send me the name of your department and I will send a box of chalk to them to mark your outline.
 
When I go out to eat I enjoy a beer with my meal. I just thank one then order water if needed. Im not going to give up my freedon to defind myself or my love ones just because I tank one beer. Now if I plan on getting intoxicated you better believe I'll leave my firearm at home.
 
Well, I gotta say, unfortunately I do not agree with several laws myself, but I'd never carry a firearm and drink at a restaurant or bar. I would never want to risk loosing my right to carry.
 
It is nice to hear some sane replies amidst the sea of idiocy and irresponsibility

I am going out drinking and shooting today, and I am going to enjoy every minute of it. :biggrin: Hope you have a nice day also.

Not joking. This is what I will be doing today.
 
Jack Daniels isn't a very good shooting partner. I've been around him enough to know. Sometimes he's aggressive, sometimes he's a show-off, and a lot of times he's just plain stupid. And he never seems to know when he's acting out of line even when those around him are telling him so. He's got friends from Russia, Mexico, the Carribbean, and other places that act just like him. I wouldn't want any of them carrying a gun around me.
 
Jack Daniels isn't a very good shooting partner. I've been around him enough to know. Sometimes he's aggressive, sometimes he's a show-off, and a lot of times he's just plain stupid. And he never seems to know when he's acting out of line even when those around him are telling him so. He's got friends from Russia, Mexico, the Carribbean, and other places that act just like him. I wouldn't want any of them carrying a gun around me.

Maybe not, but I think he's a good shot. I think it was he who shot the plane. :)
 
Well, I don't drink (I'll pause and let you all gasp in astonishment) so this isn't an issue for me. The only time I have to be concerned is if I'm going to a restaurant with a bar. Places like applebees or TGI Fridays are pretty safe for me, but I wouldn't carry into Hooters because I imagine they sell a lot more beer than wings.

I think that carrying while drinking is not the smartest course of action. However, I'm not about to suggest forbidding someone from doing so. Different people handle alcohol differently.
 
but I wouldn't carry into Hooters because I imagine they sell a lot more beer than wings.

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Well, I don't drink (I'll pause and let you all gasp in astonishment) so this isn't an issue for me. The only time I have to be concerned is if I'm going to a restaurant with a bar. Places like applebees or TGI Fridays are pretty safe for me, but I wouldn't carry into Hooters because I imagine they sell a lot more beer than wings.

I think that carrying while drinking is not the smartest course of action. However, I'm not about to suggest forbidding someone from doing so. Different people handle alcohol differently.

you have nothing to worry about unles you sit at the bar itself in most Hooter's I've been in.

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you have nothing to woory about unles you sit at the bar itself in most Hooter's I've been in.

Check this book I got my copy and have been enlightened it will help with many decisions here in Florida. Well worth the money!

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I have the the 2010 edition. Well worth the money.
 
Well, I gotta say, unfortunately I do not agree with several laws myself, but I'd never carry a firearm and drink at a restaurant or bar. I would never want to risk loosing my right to carry.

Because losing your life would be so much better.
 
Jack Daniels isn't a very good shooting partner. I've been around him enough to know. Sometimes he's aggressive, sometimes he's a show-off, and a lot of times he's just plain stupid. And he never seems to know when he's acting out of line even when those around him are telling him so. He's got friends from Russia, Mexico, the Carribbean, and other places that act just like him. I wouldn't want any of them carrying a gun around me.
So either you or someone you know can't handle their alcohol and/or doesn't have the ability to say when. Most people don't have this problem. The ones that do usually end up on a reality t.v. show.

Because losing your life would be so much better.

^This.
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